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Template throwing errors about latitude, longitude and other coord parametersEdit

Why am I seeing these error messages? Why am I not seeing the coords displayed (I do see the map). I can see there have been some modifications to the template. There has been no discussion of those changes and why we are breaking articles. Kerry (talk) 02:50, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Kerry Raymond: Can you link to some example articles with problems? We want to get these problems fixed. This template is used in 5,168 pages. I looked at a dozen or so just now, and the coordinates look fine in those, so the articles you are seeing may be unusual in some way.
Discussion definitely happened, and it continues as the work continues. See Wikipedia:Coordinates in infoboxes. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:21, 30 January 2017 (UTC)
Mitchell railway station Kerry (talk) 04:48, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
And there was no discussion here nor any mention of a discussion affecting this template taking place elsewhere. Having written about 1500 or so of those 5,168 articles using this template, it might have been nice to allowed me to have some input into it. Kerry (talk) 04:53, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the link. I have fixed the coordinates for you following the template's (updated) documentation. Feel free to ping me if you have any trouble with other articles. All of the articles using the now-deprecated |latitude= and |longitude= and other parameters should have been converted by a bot, but if you come across any others, feel free to let me know and I will fix them. – Jonesey95 (talk) 07:35, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
I have 100+ draft articles which use those parameters, so all of those will have to be fixed. There was no discussion of this change or I would have pointed out all the articles I have in draft. Could we restore the situation where those parameters can be used until I have finished uploading those draft articles. I have spent 2 years on this project already and I think my contribution deserves a bit more respect than changing the template without any discussion here which breaks all the work I have done. Kerry (talk) 09:21, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
I have restored the parameters to the template. How long will it take you to get those 100 articles uploaded? – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:20, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for that. How long will it take? It's taken me 2 years to do the first 1500 but those were the ones without existing Wikipedia articles. The last 200-ish are taking much longer per article as I have to merge the text with whatever is in an existing article. I seem to do about one a day when I am not dragged away to work on other projects (in January I have had 7 events for 1Lib1Ref and a Visual Editor training session at a local university, so I'm not getting much done on the heritage register project) and I am about to go on holidays for a month, so I don't expect to resume until March. If I can achieve one per day, maybe end of July. But as I am the only person doing Wikipedia outreach locally, I will inevitably have other events in that time period (I have a Visual Editor training day already booked for March). How about I tell you when I have finished? Kerry (talk) 23:30, 31 January 2017 (UTC)
That sounds fine. The migration of the remaining infoboxes with a mish-mash of coordinate parameters is going to take at least two more months, probably three or four. I'll keep this page on my watchlist, and I've put a note on Wikipedia:Coordinates in infoboxes to note that we should look at this talk page before making further changes to the template. Happy editing, and enjoy your holiday! – Jonesey95 (talk) 00:14, 1 February 2017 (UTC)

This template at Washington Monument was throwing errors in Preview for "highest_prev", "established", and "highest_next" which have not/do not appear in the resulting text so I am removing them. Instead {{Succesion box}} (between {{S-start}}, {{S-end}}) has been/is still used at the bottom of the article for that purpose. Although this article did use latitude (via lat_degrees, lat_minutes, lat_seconds, lat_direction) and longitude (via long_degrees, long_minutes, long_seconds, long_direction) at one time, another editor recently replaced them with {{Coord}}. — Joe Kress (talk) 22:02, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Yes, unsupported parameters in this template will place the article in Category:Pages using infobox historic site with unknown parameters, and articles will show red error messages in Preview mode. Those error messages can help editors find typos, errors, and otherwise ignored parameters. I removed about 120 articles from the error category yesterday. Refer to the template's documentation to identify the correct parameters to use.
The user replacing coordinates is JJMC89 bot. You can see that edit, with appropriate links to explanatory pages, in the page's history. – Jonesey95 (talk) 23:16, 31 January 2017 (UTC)

Kerry Raymond, are you done with your article creation? If so, I'd like to finish converting this template. If not, how many drafts do you have left with the old-style coordinates in them? Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 05:25, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

I have 48 to go as per User:Kerry_Raymond#Statistics for en.Wikipedia. Are you able to help with the Queensland electoral boundaries? They have just changed (gazetted last Friday). Every Wikipedia article about every Queensland town/suburb/locality now needs to be checked and updated; I didn't realise this bombshell was about to drop. Goodness knows how long that is going to take to me and it will impede me working further on the QHR, on top of everything else (outreach, major deadlink citation problem following Qld State Archives website redesign, etc). I can't do it all. Kerry (talk) 14:23, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
Wow, great progress! And yes, the work is never-ending. I'll update the note on the main page for the coordinates conversion project. – Jonesey95 (talk) 22:06, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
WOSlinker, have you read the section above? Kerry Raymond still has some draft articles with the old coordinates and would like to post them without encountering errors.
Kerry Raymond: a proposal. We would like to close out the coordinates conversion project (this infobox is one of the last of 200+ templates that we have converted). WOSlinker and I will be happy to convert the coordinates for all of your 48 draft articles at any time. Would you be OK with providing a list of pages, pinging us when one is ready, or otherwise notifying us when you would like us to perform that service for you? I am on WP nearly every day of the year. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:22, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Jonesey95, no I hadn't. I can undo the change but it also depends on {{Geobox coor}} at the moment, which is at Tfd. So would need somme other changes as well, to just use {{Coord}} instead. -- WOSlinker (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2017 (UTC)


@Frietjes: can we add pronunciation parameter field to this template? Many Asian / African / Native American sites have a local pronunciation, and are easy to grossly mispronounce. I am working on Aihole article, for example, and this field would be useful. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:18, 4 October 2017 (UTC)

Ms Sarah Welch, is there any reason why the pronunciation is not in the lead paragraph of the article? Frietjes (talk) 23:21, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
@Frietjes: I am in the middle of an edit that is adding it, with WP:RS. I am finding it cumbersome as the RS supports the pronunciation, some parts of the lead sentence, but not all of it as the other sources cited. Putting the pronunciation and RS in the infobox would have been cleaner, Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:26, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Ms Sarah Welch, here is a list of templates with this parameter. seems to be mostly people-centric infoboxes. I really don't care, but it would probably be good to get more input before adding it. Frietjes (talk) 23:29, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
@Frietjes: Thanks. I like your suggestion that we get more input, and would do it if I knew how and where to start that process. @Capankajsmilyo: can you help with the paperwork? Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 23:35, 4 October 2017 (UTC)
Paperwork? -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 01:07, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
= Process / Formalities / RfC Capankajsmilyo. Ms Sarah Welch (talk) 02:17, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
Do we need RfC for this? It is being used in diverse Infoboxes like mountain, cave, diagnostic, drug etc. as is reflected from the link shared by Frietjes. I guess since there is no modification / deletion required, it would be good to go ahead with addition with appropriate update in the documentation for the template. RfC would have been good option if there were instances of considerable opposition to its use in other infoboxes. But that's my opinion. -- Pankaj Jain Capankajsmilyo (talk · contribs · count) 02:47, 5 October 2017 (UTC)
I can't see a problem with adding pronunciation so long as it done in a consistent way with other infoboxes. I think we all have some hard-to-pronounce names in the articles we look after. Personally I would love to know how to pronounce Eulalia, Kyeewa, Myendetta etc. Kerry (talk) 05:28, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Alternative to "demolished"Edit

Sometimes a site is no longer standing, but the end date is not a specific demolition but just gradual decline and destruction. For example, this is the case for Plered which slowly ruined throughout the 19th century. Should there be another parameter that doesn't sound as dramatic as "demolished"? HaEr48 (talk) 01:46, 14 August 2019 (UTC)

Nevermind, I found the (undocumented) end_label and end_date. @Frietjes: for your info. HaEr48 (talk) 01:53, 14 August 2019 (UTC)
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