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{{db-empty}} in portal spaceEdit

When transcluded in the portal namespace, should Template:db-empty invoke Template:db-p1 (with the "|A3" parameter) or Template:db-p2? Both could equally apply and be referred to. (I don't think it should invoke Template:db-a3, which is only intended for articles.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Geolodus (talkcontribs) 09:40, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Imho, db-p1 with A3 as a parameter makes more sense since it's the more specific criterion to P2. Regards SoWhy 09:56, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

There has been no discussion yet besides SoWhy's comment. Should the change (so it displays db-p1 with A3) be done? Geolodus (talk) 12:42, 16 September 2019 (UTC)

I concur with SoWhy. Thanks. --Bsherr (talk) 14:03, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
Can someone make the change then? I don't know template markup well enough to do it myself. Geolodus (talk) 16:27, 16 September 2019 (UTC)
  Not done This template must be followed by a complete and specific description of the request, that is, specify what text should be removed and a verbatim copy of the text that should replace it.xaosflux Talk 17:52, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 19 September 2019Edit

This template seems to cause a stripped </b> tag wherever transcluded. It's way above my pay grade to understand why. Please fix it. — Anomalocaris (talk) 07:45, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Anomalocaris: I believe that I have fixed a couple of these cases (see this discussion, for example). Because this template is transcluded in many other templates, you'll have to be more specific about where you are seeing the Linter problem. For example, I am seeing this template used at Abu Nasir right now, where it is transcluded by {{db-disambig}}, a speedy deletion template. There are no Linter problems on that page, according to LintHint.
In my experience, only specific templates that transclude this meta template have errors. Can you let us know which specific template(s) cause Linter errors? Thanks. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:10, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Jonesey95: I clicked the button on the edit page of {{Db-multiple}}, and didn't notice that I wasn't on its own talk page. I see now that I tried to fix this myself 21:25, 28 August 2019‎ and was reverted by User:Primefac, whose edit summary said "Template:db-meta has a <b> without a close". —Anomalocaris (talk) 14:57, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
{{db-multiple}} sends |1= for the following reasons:</b><ul>= to {{db-meta}}, which has the code <b><i>This ...</i>{{{1}}}{{#if:{{{2|}}}|.</b> <i>{{{2}}}</i>. <b>|. }}. Since the former does not send a |2= to the latter, it doesn't close the <b>, which is why the </b> is in the {{db-multiple}}. Primefac (talk) 15:37, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
I've added the b tag after the list, so should be ok now. -- WOSlinker (talk) 15:55, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Marking as resolved after checking transclusions of {{db-multiple}}. – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:26, 19 September 2019 (UTC)


@Jonesey95: I am fairly certain the intent of the parameter is to blank any content following the template. By closing the div here you inhibit that entirely and so attack pages become visible to the general populace. Did you test your change? --Izno (talk) 18:36, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

Out of an overabundance of caution I have reversed both of the edits mentioned above. Let's sandbox this first to make sure we get it right across all of the db- template family. Primefac (talk) 18:42, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
That makes sense. I have documented this odd exception with a comment so that other well-meaning gnomes do not have to know the oral history behind this oddity. – Jonesey95 (talk) 21:49, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
WOSlinker, Jonesey95, Izno, Primefac: Thank you all for your work on this and I agree, let's make sure we get it right across all of the db- template family. —Anomalocaris (talk) 06:20, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


For the record, I made what should be a minor change to {{db-g10}} in order to fix some misnesting of italic and bold formatting. Trouts are welcome if I messed it up. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:17, 20 September 2019 (UTC)


WOSlinker, Jonesey95, Izno, Primefac: Draft:Rayyar Bungalow includes the line {{db-multiple|G11|G12|url=}}

which generates a stripped </b>. I report without any investigation. —Anomalocaris (talk) 00:25, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

sigh I'll see about rewriting the backend of these templates to avoid the weird nesting of formatting between them all. Primefac (talk) 00:34, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
I think that I may have fixed the problem while avoiding the nest of vipers that is Template:db-meta. I tested this change in my sandbox and at Special:ExpandTemplates, and it looks OK to me. Let me know if you see anything strange, aside from the new bolding of the "...valid" sentence. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:27, 16 October 2019 (UTC)

Timing after purging is offEdit

I made an edit to a page to add the Template:Db-u1 template and when I purged the page, it said the page was made 40 seconds ago, when it was probably made nearly 10 seconds ago. Could this be fixed? Or is this a problem with Template:Purge instead? –apap04 talk | contributions 13:21, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

It's likely a lag between user and server. I would highly doubt there is anything anyone could do about it. Primefac (talk) 13:45, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 3 October 2019Edit

I fail to understand the deletion of News 9 Kenya article, I have conformed to all the wikipedia guidline. The article describes a news website that is currently running in Kenya. Kindly highlight on portions that makes the article promotional Caydee32 (talk) 06:59, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

  Not done: this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the template {{Db-meta}}. Please make your request at the talk page for the article concerned. Sceptre (talk) 10:09, 3 October 2019 (UTC)

Template-protected edit request on 14 October 2019Edit

Change "him/herself" and "his/her" to singular "themselves" and "their" jaclar0529 (talk) 06:12, 15 October 2019 (UTC)

  Question: please explain your rationale for this change — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:24, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
@MSGJ: This seems to mostly be a "cosmetic" change that doesn't appear to impact process/policy/readability - as such I'm inclined to process as WP:BRD baring any specific objections after a few days. — xaosflux Talk 14:50, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
I wasn't immediately convinced it was an improvement to the wording, which is why I invited the OP to explain their reasoning — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:52, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
I'm with MSGJ; why does the OP find this change necessary? Primefac (talk) 17:22, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Using "themselves" as the plural of the singular "they" is awkward. Also, the word "this" in the current wording is lacking an antecedent. I propose rewording entirely, to something like "Note that this criterion applies only to articles about people themselves, not about their books, albums, shows, software, etc." – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:25, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
  Not done As there are objections above, this is to step 3 of WP:BRD (without actually performing the technical first 2 steps and potentially causing update issues on this highly visible template). Please continue to discuss and reactivate the request if needed. — xaosflux Talk 17:35, 15 October 2019 (UTC)
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