Template talk:2020 coronavirus quarantines
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What is the status of Wenzhou? From what I read the city was `virtually shut down' and movement within and into the city has been restricted. Yet it was removed from the table. I guess we need a definition of quarantine, but the fact that these measures are taken outside of Hubei seems very significant.
- Seems this template focus on Hubei. But I don't see why, no reason to keep that way. Yug (talk) 13:35, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
Accordibg to this article https://www.businessinsider.com/wuhan-coronavirus-officials-quarantine-entire-city-2020-1 :
- 1 on 2020-01-23 : Wuhan
- 1 "last week" (23?): Huanggang
- 10 on 2020-01-24: Chibi, Enshi, Ezhou, Huangshi, Suizhou, Qianjjiang, Xianning, Xiantao, Yichang, and Zhijiang
- 4 on 2020-01-27 ("Monday"): Xiangyang, Jingmen, Xiaogan, and Dangyang.
The word quarantine as it is commonly used is understood to mean isolation of people diagnosed or suspected with diseases. What measures should we include here?
- Clearly, the Hubei border shutdowns qualify.
- cities outside Hubei have implemented strict movement restrictions on local residents, incl. Wenzhou, Bengbu, Huaibei, and Hangzhou (as of 2020/02/04 22:30 GMT+8), where each household is permitted of one person going outside for provisions every two days. Bengbu and Huaibei both have less than 50 confirmed cases. Are we to understand restrictions like this as being primarily intended to reduce the mobility of healthy people so as to reduce infections? Then, would such a measure qualify as quarantine?
- should partial closure of border be considered a kind of quarantine, when a limited portion of the border remains open? Wenzhou has closed 46 of 55 highway border checkpoints but keeps 9 open; Hong Kong has closed 10 of 13 border checkpoints but keeps 3 open. A particular case is Hong Kong; the measure is widely understood to be a counter-quarantine: closing itself from regions with significant incidences of the disease. It seems rather difficult to call the Hong Kong case "quarantine". Further, by the same logic, one might want to say that North Korea and Russia are currently under quarantine, even though NK for example has zero confirmed cases.
- Should we count restrictions such as in 1 in this template? If so, should we rename the page, and should we make one or two tables? If not, should we create a separate template for such measures?
- Rethliopuks Why remove Wenzhou. If you are precising the definition of quarantines, then just add a qualifier. No need to remove events (Wenzhou). Yug (talk) 21:56, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
Table 1 vs Table 2 and recoveriesEdit
I would like to suggest that we move back to the original table for two reasons (1) we want to show how many cities and people are affected by measures that severely restrict movement (see Rethliopuks note above) and not just the full quarantine in Hubei as this is misleading and does not give readers a good picture of newer measures taken by the government; (2) I feel rather strongly about the 'recovered' column and saw other discussions about the same in other articles related to the virus. These recovery numbers are highly misleading. We do not know how many people are sick, but we do know how many have tested sick, we also know roughly how many have died, but we only know how many recovered for the small subset of cases that were in a hospital or other intensive care. Hence, the only thing that the recovery number will do is scaring readers. Kjanow —Preceding undated comment added 16:14, 4 February 2020 (UTC)