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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:39, 30 July 2020 (UTC)

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Black Birders Week, Earyn McGee, Corina Newsome

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  • ... that ornithologist Corina Newsome and herpetologist Earyn McGee (pictured) held events as part of the inaugural Black Birders Week, an effort to celebrate black nature enthusiasts? Source: The scientific specialties are cited in the first lines of their respective articles. Participation in events is cited in the last sentence of the first paragraph of the 2020 Series section in Black Birders Week. The aim of the movement is cited in the opening sentence of the same article.

Created by Gthh (talk) (McGee and Newsome) and DarTar (talk) (event). Nominated by The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) at 23:25, 9 June 2020 (UTC).

  • Comment: I’d like to make sure activist Anna Gifty Opoku-Agyeman is credited and included in the list, not only because she created the event, but also because she was the target of a vicious attempt to erase her name from the list of organizers by an anonymous account who flagged all articles for deletion.—DarTar (talk) 03:26, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
  • These three articles are new enough and long enough. The image is appropriately licensed, the hook facts are cited inline, the articles are neutral and I detected no copyright issues. Three QPQs have been done. @DarTar and Gthh: They are nice articles, but oversourced; you don't need multiple references to cite uncontroversial facts. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:11, 11 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Hi, I came by to promote this, but I cannot in good conscience promote articles like these to the main page when they are filled with excessive citations. I removed the uncontroversial cites from the lead in the first two articles and would appreciate your doing the same in Corina Newsome. In the body of these articles, if a sentence can be verified by one source, please use one source. If two, then two. But not eight or nine. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 14:01, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
  • @Gthh: thank you, but please also take all those cites out of the lead. Please read MOS:LEADCITE. Yoninah (talk) 18:17, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: I have also removed citations from the lead as you suggested . Gthh (talk) 18:49, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you, Gthh. Corina Newsome now looks good but the other 2 articles still have excessive citations. Additionally, the rationale of Black Birders Week is stated in the lead as to increase the visibility of Black birders, who face unique challenges and dangers when engaging in outdoor activities, but none of that is sourced or explained in the article. The only rationale given in the body of the article is According to Opoku-Agyeman, the goal of the initiative is "normalizing the fact that Black people exist in the birding and natural sciences community".. Basically, this article reads like a fluff piece focusing on media coverage, and the hooks as a result are also rather promotional. ALT1 is unsourced and ALT0 has a distinctly PR tone to it (to celebrate black nature enthusiasts). Yoninah (talk) 19:34, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
  • @Gthh: as we are not hearing from DarTar, would you like to run this as a double nomination with just Corina Newsome and Earyn McGee bolded? The nomination is coming up on 2 months old and we would like to finish up already. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 13:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
  • All three articles now look good to me. Gthh (talk) 13:53, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
  • @Gthh: please see my previous post. The article and hooks have not yet been sorted. Yoninah (talk) 14:22, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
  • @Yoninah: Sorry, I thought I had addressed everything. By hooks did you mean links to Twitter/Instagram? Those have now been removed. I have also added more detail to the article about the event and response. Can you please clarify what you mean by ALT1 and ALT0? Also, can you please let me know if there is anything else to fix? Thanks! Gthh (talk) 14:57, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
  • @Gthh: I need to go offline for another 24 hours, so I will check your edits to the article then. The hooks are numbered at the top of this thread, ALT0 and ALT1. Yoninah (talk) 15:18, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
  • @Gthh and Yoninah: Hey folks, thanks so much for working on this, I haven't been able to contribute much but if there's anything I can do to help get this across the line, please let me know.--DarTar (talk) 16:31, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Thanks, DarTar! Can you please help me address Yoninah's concerns? I think we just need sources for ALT1 and to reduce the PR tone of Black Birders Week. Thanks! Gthh (talk) 16:37, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
  • @Gthh and Yoninah: the only statement from ALT1 that requires citations in the target article, as far as I can see, is "an effort to highlight the challenges faced by black nature enthusiasts". This looks the most solid and comprehensive source we could use: [1] If that looks good I will briefly expand the article and use this as a reference, I will also take a pass at the overall tone. --DarTar (talk) 17:51, 29 July 2020 (UTC)
  • I tried to address the above concerns, the rest of the article looks pretty factual to me and is ready to go as far as I am concerned.--DarTar (talk) 15:48, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
  • Thank you for your work. Black Birders Week reads much better now, and both hooks are verified and cited inline. Good to go. Yoninah (talk) 19:36, 30 July 2020 (UTC)
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