Talk:Zimbabwean dollar

Requested move 30 October 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Real Time Gross Settlement dollar moved to Zimbabwean dollar (2019–present); no consensus to do anything else. There seem to be no objections here to moving the RTGS dollar article, but moving Zimbabwean dollar met with reasonable opposition on the grounds that the former currency is still the primary topic. There was also a merger suggestion that might benefit from further discussion. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 01:35, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

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• Zimbabwean dollar → Zimbabwean dollar (1980–2009)
• Real Time Gross Settlement dollar → Zimbabwean dollar

– According to a discussion at Talk:Real Time Gross Settlement dollar#Article rename consultation, there is evidence to suggest that what is currently known as the Real Time Gross Settlement dollar is commonly known as the Zimbabwean dollar. Therefore this article should receive a year range qualifier because there was a significant gap between the current Zimbabwean dollar and the first four Zimbabwean dollars. Minoa (talk) 18:18, 30 October 2022 (UTC) — Relisted. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 23:15, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Note: the request at Talk:Real Time Gross Settlement dollar conflicted with this request and has been merged here. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^put'r there 04:39, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

• Support. "RTGS" is hardly sourced nor used formal sources. As the table in the prior consultation shows, the name "Zimbabwe(-an) dollar" is used throughout, and also used by ISO 4217 standard (for active currency code ZWL). The historical era specification "(1980–2009)" is a proper disambiguation term. -DePiep (talk) 06:25, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose, the pre-2009 dollars remain the primary topic, given their infamy for hyper-hyperinflation. The new dollars should instead be named Zimbabwean dollar (2019–present) or similar. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 17:05, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

  What you describe is only a matter of WP:DISAMBIGUATION, since both topic can be named "Zimbabwian dollar"—not name. With this, the historical dollar should have the DAB-term, current currency without. The historical one is not established as WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. DePiep (talk) 17:13, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

  I know the 1980–2009 dollar is as notorious as the pengő, but I do not know of a circulating currency that has a year qualifier in the title. I know Argentina burned through a lot of pesos, but the title of the circulating peso is simply the Argentine peso. --Minoa (talk) 17:22, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose per Mellohi. If this were an active and dominant currency, this might be different, but the RTGS has a chequered history and as I understand it, the US dollar still dominates. Moving to Zimbabwean dollar (2019–present) might also be a valid thing to do.  — Amakuru (talk) 18:33, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

  It does not have to be dominant to not require a qualifier. Another source: Bloomberg: "Not everyone is happy about the Zimbabwean dollar’s gains." --Minoa (talk) 18:56, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

  By what WP:PRIMARYTOPIC criteria are you saying this? So far, I only see "most interesting to me"-like thoughts. DePiep (talk) 21:43, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

  By both of the criteria. By long-term significance, as a currency that was around for many years and also a storied example of devaluation and hyperinflation. And also by common usage. See page views, which are massively dominated by the former currency of Zimbabwe. I don't see a shred of evidence here as to why this page should be moved.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:40, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

  Well, the page views could equally say that readers looking for the current Zdollar, and are expecting to find it at ... Zimbabwean dollar (what is supporting OP proposal). After all, the Move is proposed becasue the "Real Time Gross Settlement dollar" is so improbable.

  As for the two criteria with respect to usage: "more likely than all the other topics combined—to be the topic sought when a reader searches for that term"., and "long-term significance if it has substantially greater enduring notability and educational value than any other topic associated with that term".

  With this, I am not convinced that the currenct, active currency would not be the first-sought item. Apart from the same name, asd a currncy it has continued too.

  This leads me to the conclusiouns 1. "RTGS" is undesirted by us all here (so some move is supported), and 2. pages should be merged as being one single currency with a big history in the article. (After that merge, WP:FORK could apply; but it is not a law that it will lead to the same hstorical article. DePiep (talk) 08:50, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment: while we disagree on the primary topic for the (two) future Zdollar articles, there is implicit agreement on the need to Move the content page aweay from the title Real Time Gross Settlement dollar.

I propose to explore the idea to merge the two into one, describing Zimbabweian dollar from history into current live currency. -DePiep (talk) 08:55, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

I consider WP:BOLD in the context of the significant gap between the two eras of the Zimbabwean dollar, and the significant coverage of the previous era compared to the Khmer riel. However, the idea of merging articles is not impossible, but it would require a very significant rewrite of the merged article.

I also wonder how this would impact Banknotes of Zimbabwe, because that article is already long with the four eras of the dollar. My idea of splitting that flopped miserably back in 2019. Asking @Andrewa: what are your thoughts on the move proposal overall? --Minoa (talk) 16:58, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose it looks like this one and not the other is primary with 17,153 v 1,307[[1]] views. A DAB may be OK though. Crouch, Swale (talk) 09:04, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

• Comment, and note to the closing admin. (1) It appears that there is wide support for moveing away from name "Real Time Gross Settlement dollar" (RTGS). (2) .. but then, future article names are in dispute. That is because the correct name "Zimbabwean dollar" has multiple meanings (topics), so WP:DAB is in play. To break this ban (some Move is OK, but prevented for DAB reason??), I propose to Move into this target situation:

Zimbabwean dollar (1980–2009) (content, historical currency)

Zimbabwean dollar (2019–) (content, current currency)

Also, Zimbabwean dollar R → Zimbabwean dollar (disambiguation).

This honours step (1) of the Request. After this, DAB details & consequences can be fleshed out in proposal(s), including WP:PRIMARY and WP:MERGE. -DePiep (talk) 09:27, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Rewrite needed

Hello again, I have to request that this article undergo a substantial rewrite, because the information is very disorganised, with insufficient context behind the events: I assume that it is a legacy of information being added quickly during the peak of the hyperinflation in 2008 and 2009, but now we have the time for a rewrite because the post-2019 Zimbabwean dollar now has their own article. In addition, there is an urgent need for reliable sources for the exchange rates during the hyperinflation: many of them are not referenced.

A full rewrite of this article is necessary to allow the Banknotes of Zimbabwe article to focus more on the banknotes issued between 1981 and 2009, as part of a plan to improve it to featured article status: I have recently (or will soon) merged some sections for having insufficient visual differences to be treated as a separate family of notes. I also have an idea to reframe Zimbabwean bond notes to a Banknotes of Zimbabwe article for post-2016 issues, but I currently have no draft to show, which leaves opportunity for feedback here. --Minoa (talk) 07:15, 10 January 2023 (UTC)

Economics and managment science

Do research and findout the official currencies of zimbabwe 41.114.208.202 (talk) 13:31, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

It is "Zimbabwean dollar" 41.114.197.157 (talk) 07:54, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

Curreny Circulation

When did the current of Zimbabwe circulation? 41.114.197.157 (talk) 07:52, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

I think in 1909 2A02:C7C:C497:6200:74DA:2FCA:EA6A:77AD (talk) 19:18, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

This article needs to be merged

Given the fact that the Zimbabwe dollar from 2019 to this year is being demonetized; I think it should be merged with this article. 2601:5C5:4201:68B0:8D33:6C67:6107:2135 (talk) 20:36, 23 April 2024 (UTC)