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Requested move 30 January 2021

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Moved as proposed. After much-extended time for discussion, there is consensus for the proposed move. BD2412 T 00:27, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Yelena Vyalbe → Yelena Välbe – Surname is an Estonian name from Urmas Välbe. 2001:999:23:2065:10EC:7F39:DD84:580A (talk) 16:33, 30 January 2021 (UTC)—Relisting. User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 18:28, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

• Oppose She is Russian and holds a Russian citizenship, hence her name should be Russified.--User:Tomcat7 (talk) 20:28, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment Not a valid point: in the Russian/Soviet tradition, non-Russian personal names that are transliterated into Cyrillic are not transliterated back into the Latin script if the bearers of such names do not do it themselves; instead, the original, non-Russian form is used. E.g., Boris Rauschenbach, Arvīds Pelše, Antonio Spadavecchia, etc. Yelena Välbe has explicitly stated that she chooses to use the original spelling in the Latin script.--Vihelik (talk) 02:48, 8 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support The Russian citizenship has nothing to do here. What is the surname of Franz, the common son of Jelena and Urmas Välbe? Välbe is an Estonian word and means flicker. --2001:999:23:A563:FD0A:74A4:1F0C:15A6 (talk) 10:43, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

• You can not support your request...--User:Tomcat7 (talk) 11:35, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

• Where has happened so..? --2001:999:71:F88E:6C34:36CF:52B9:EAC2 (talk) 09:05, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

• It is true, but a common mistake, see wp:rm#Commenting on a requested move Nomination already implies that the nominator supports the name change, and nominators should refrain from repeating this recommendation on a separate bulleted line. But don't fix it now, that will just make it messier and the closer will sort it out. That's their job. Andrewa (talk) 05:43, 8 February 2021 (UTC)

• Support the Valbe name is somewhat more common in Google News results, according to my search (63 vs. 40). The Russian spelling results are dominated by TASS (t · c) buidhe 16:29, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
• Support. The nomination gives no valid rationale, but user:Buidhe makes a good case above in terms of common name. The argument She is Russian and holds a Russian citizenship, hence her name should be Russified is on the other hand baseless in terms of our naming policies. Also agree that we should discount the TASS hits in Google News, they may not meet our definition of primary source but have exactly the same problem of not reflecting common usage. Andrewa (talk) 05:47, 8 February 2021 (UTC)
• Comment: Of the interwiki links using the Latin alphabet, the only one not spelling her surname "Välbe" is the Czech article. JIP | Talk 22:11, 12 February 2021 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:COMMONNAME. Her most common name in English sources seems to be the current title. Britannica also titles their article on her as Yelena Vyalbe Rreagan007 (talk) 20:04, 14 February 2021 (UTC)
• Support "Vyalbe" is merely a transscription of the Kyrillic transscription of the Estonian name "Välbe". See also the reference to the International Skiing Federation Index of athletes. RO5609 (talk) 11:30, 3 March 2021 (UTC)

• Support In Välbe's own words: "Whenever I write my name in the Latin alphabet, I write it with the Estonian [letter] "ä".[1] --Vihelik (talk) 03:24, 7 March 2021 (UTC)
• Support per nomination. Since subject is an ethnic Russian born in Russia (birth surname Trubitsyna), I was inclined to oppose but, upon reading the interview referenced directly above in which she states that she has deliberately retained her first husband's surname and writes it in its Estonian form as Välbe, not as "Vaelbe" or, more specifically, not as "Vyalbe", which is the English transliteration of the Russian transliteration of Välbe into Russian, I am supporting Yelena Vyalbe → Yelena Välbe. —Roman Spinner (talk • contribs) 07:27, 7 March 2021 (UTC)

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