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Cover artEdit

I think the license for the cover needs to be changed from "non-free". The cover art is derived from File:Minidisc.jpeg, which has the following license:

You are free:

  • to share – to copy, distribute and transmit the work
  • to remix – to adapt the work

Under the following conditions:

  • attribution – You must attribute the work in the manner specified by the author or licensor (but not in any way that suggests that they endorse you or your use of the work).
  • share alike – If you alter, transform, or build upon this work, you may distribute the resulting work only under the same or similar license to this one.

This means under "share alike", the cover art must be free. The main difference between the images is a simple "remix", where the label is purple. Nice4What (talk) 10:25, 18 September 2018 (UTC)


I would recommend putting this under protection for now. People are nonstop editing this with things like "kanye dont love his fans".

The article states that the cover art is a "MiniDisc with purple tape". The purple part of the MiniDisc is NOT tape, it is the protective shutter that is part of a MiniDisc case. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 35.46.12.204 (talk) 03:05, 22 April 2019 (UTC)


jontronminion — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jontronminion (talkcontribs) 05:54, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 September 2018Edit

Add a line saying that the unreleased KTSE song could end up on Yandhi Hldmylqr (talk) 06:45, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

  Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Kpgjhpjm 12:03, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Vandalism from /r/teenagers Discord serverEdit

This page is constantly being edited by users from the /r/teenagers Discord server, especially TheNoobWar#0001. I think it should be placed under protection. DmitryKsWikis (Dmitry K.) | talk 06:46, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

Edit: They have stopped and TheNoobWar#0001 wasn't actually involved in the vandalism, his name was just used everywhere DmitryKsWikis (Dmitry K.) | talk 06:54, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

The article has been semi-protected and I blocked all of the accounts that were disrupting the talk page. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:59, 30 September 2018 (UTC)

VandalismEdit

@165.161.3.60: Stop adding unsourced producers and guest artists. There is no need to engage in edit warring. Thank you. Nice4What (talk) 13:34, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

@Marvellofan: @2601:581:8500:a6e3:ec17:d835:5dea:b51c: See above Nice4What (talk) 00:57, 23 October 2018 (UTC)

YandhiEdit

I know this is an unofficial tracklist but please don't remove it until the tracklist is confirmed. Oreratile1207 (talk) 13:29, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

The tracklistEdit

Guys, I promise I won't vandalize Wikipedia this time, I was wrong to edit tracklists without reliable source, I just didn't know how to provide reliable source, but thanks to Vistadan, I checked over the sound recordings. Oreratile1207 (talk) 19:27, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

@Oreratile1207: Don't add any sort of track list to the page, the only songs that are only maybe confirmed for the album are "We Got Love" and then two other unnamed snippets. Nice4What (talk) 10:45, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
@Oreratile1207: Again, stop adding a track list. "80 Degrees" and "Slave Name" are not official names and we don't even know if the previewing of those snippets still mean they'll be included in the album. Note that those two songs were previewed when September 29 was the official release date... many details of the album may have changed since. Also you're failing to cite any sources. Nice4What (talk) 16:47, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

YandhiEdit

But you said there were 2 snippetsOreratile1207 (talk) 18:22, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

You are copying your information from Genius, a user-edited website. This is not a reliable source. Nice4What (talk) 21:11, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Track listEdit

@Oreratile1207: Again with the track list... Do not add "Stormy Night". There are no reliable sources stating that it will be included on Yandhi. It's just a leaked snipped and many in the past have been cut from West's albums. The name "Stormy Night" is also unofficial. If you haven't learned from now, see WP:RS. Please stop editing this article unless there are official reports on the album's development. I appreciate your passion for adding track list, but sometimes an upcoming album may not have one yet. Please discuss on the talk page first before restoring your edits. Nice4What (talk) 19:32, 11 December 2018 (UTC)

Kanye West or YeEdit

There seems to be various edits about whether the studio album is by Ye or Kanye West and as a recent edit has said, he only changed his Twitter name to Ye - on features after this change such as "Mama" and "One Minute" he has been credited as Kanye West. --Kyle Peake (talk) 12:44, 24 December 2018 (UTC)

SourcesEdit

The paragraph in Yandhi#Third_recording:_Undetermined_release_date on how the album is delayed until after the lawsuits has only got 1 citation to back it up. Any more proof that this happened? Parttime18 (talk) 11:01, 27 January 2019 (UTC)

Unconfirmed rumor. May as well remove it from the article. Nice4What (talk) 14:17, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

Recent Vandalism January 2019Edit

This is your warning, stop adding unconfirmed release dates such as January 30th 2019 or other dates to build up hype or for whatever disruptive motive. Setting the date to January 30 isn't going to make Kanye release it this week (unfortunately).

Do not vandalize the page in other ways as well.

Administrators, anyway to semi-protect this page from vandalism until a date like 8 February 2019? Constant vandalism of the such has persisted for a week. Thanks. Nice4What (talk) 00:13, 30 January 2019 (UTC)

Page name change to "Upcoming Kanye West album" of "Jesus Is King" instead of "Yandhi"Edit

I think it's safe to assume that Yandhi has been scrapped or retitled (much more by looking this guy's historial with album's name changes). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pinnkerton (talkcontribs)

"Untitled Kanye West project" seems most apt (and in line with the Wikipedia manual of style) but let’s wait a little bit for clarity and for consensus. This page is already getting disrupted enough. We still have no idea if Jesus is King is a new album, the same album, or whatever. For all we know he could release two projects at the same time like Frank Ocean did. Trillfendi (talk) 21:30, 30 August 2019 (UTC)
Keep it as Yandhi and we'll just move it to Jesus is King once that's confirmed. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 00:26, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Thanks for the responses. Totally fine by me, in the end, is just one month away. Let's wait and see, who knows if this "Jesus Is King" project is released on that date. Pinnkerton (talk) 07:58, 31 August 2019 (UTC)
Since Jesus Is King has been confirmed, I think that this should be moved. mike•owen discuss 19:21, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

On second thoughts, I believe we should approach this with caution. Although Jesus Is King has been confirmed as the next album, no one has said that Yandhi is actually Jesus Is King. Jesus Is King may even be a completely different album that West has been working on, maybe almost completely unrelated to Yandhi. Unless we clearly know that Yandhi is, at least partly, a part of Jesus Is King, we should separate the two subjects. Just because Yandhi may never be released, especially since it was leaked the other month, it doesn't mean that it hasn't earned more than its fair share of media coverage to merit its own article (some album leaks have their own Wikipedia articles). In conclusion, I would only support a move of this page to Jesus Is King if it is clear that Yandhi is at least partly a part of Jesus Is King or if the two subjects are closely intertwined. After all, there might have been a completely different songwriting process for the creation of Jesus Is King. mike•owen discuss 21:40, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
That’s exactly what I’ve been saying this whole time. The problem is, everybody wants to be first instead of being accurate. Trillfendi (talk) 21:52, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
@MikeOwen: I disagree with what you're saying. If Jesus is King is released, we should just move the page to that title. All the information about Yandhi is covered as part of the album's development. The bootleg isn't notable enough to standalone, has no consistent track list, and was described by The Fader as "a minor story". Also... come on. (And note that "Garden", which was on the original track list for Yandhi, is part of Jesus is King.) Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 03:24, 6 September 2019 (UTC); Edited 00:45, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
@Nice4What: I don't think that me asking a question on Reddit in any way makes my opinion less credible. I just thought that if asked people with a significant interest in Kanye, they might have read something that I've missed. I really don't think this is relevant to the discussion and don't want you to bring it up. I just want to get to the point, not bring anything trivial into the conversation. However, the point you make about the lack of media coverage for the Yandhi leaks is very valid. However, the creation of Yandhi has accumulated a lot of coverage already. On another note, some publications have stated that the future of Yandhi is unclear: it might have been shelved, but as I was saying in my previous post, Jesus Is King might be completely musically different from Yandhi. But then again, that could be explained by an evolution in the songwriting process. Actually, you might be right about the two being linked. I've just read an article with French Montana hinting that West's album going towards a spiritual direction (very Jesus Is King like). So actually you might be right: maybe a move could be in order, and if Yandhi turns out to be its own entity (like if it gets its own release), we could split the article. mike•owen discuss 09:56, 6 September 2019 (UTC)
@MikeOwen: I'd agree it'd be best to move this article to Jesus Is King and to split off a separate Yandhi article if it's ever announced/released as a separate album. Also decided to strike out my link to your Reddit post, what you said was right. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 00:45, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

From E! News, which is connected to West through Keeping Up with the Kardashian:

The Grammy winner will release his latest album Jesus Is King next month, his rep confirmed to E! News.

This is confirmation that Kanye's ninth studio album will be Jesus Is King. I suggest we rename the page and keep the information about Yandhi in the "Recording and production" section. Of course, if an album named Yandhi is ever released in the future, we can do a split from there. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 19:57, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 9 September 2019Edit

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. There is a consensus for this requested move. (closed by non-admin page mover) qedk (t c) 21:06, 16 September 2019 (UTC)


YandhiJesus Is King – The article is about West's ninth studio album, which was independently confirmed by E! News to be titled Jesus Is King and is no longer titled Yandhi. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 20:12, 9 September 2019 (UTC)

It wouldn’t make any sense to move this page to a completely different album. That just wastes months of work from various editors. Instead, "Jesus is King" will be moved to the draft space and upon release editors can begin to properly build the article; merging Yandhi with it. Trillfendi (talk) 20:23, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
You know renaming the article preserves the edit history, right? I don't know what you're saying about having to create Draft:Jesus Is King because moving this page is simply all that's needed. And it's not a "completely different album"; Yandhi was just the title during early recording. Note that "Garden" was meant to be released in September 2018 and now it's being officially released in September 2019. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 21:30, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Seeing that you've already created the draft, it's worth noting it's practically just a copy-and-paste move of the "December 2018 – Present" subsection of this article. This move makes sense. If you believe there should be a split for information on Yandhi, fine. Make that suggestion. But even when the album started leaking, The Fader noted that it was a "minor story". Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 21:34, 9 September 2019 (UTC)
Extended discussion
@Trillfendi: Do NOT edit war. Both Jesus Is King and Yandhi are bolded in the lede for now as a compromise. Jesus Is King has been confirmed to be West's next album, and there is no indication that Yandhi is planned for the future. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 00:32, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
I already said Yandhi wasn’t going to be released... weeks ago. That doesn’t change the name of the article nor the lead. You don’t have to ping me about this shit, I’ve already asked for further assistance. If you want years of work going down the drain oh the fuck k. But you’re “NOT” gonna tell me what the fuck to do, especially not about a page you’ve been disrupting. This ain’t gonna be a Good Article any time soon. Trillfendi (talk) 01:06, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
What years of work?? Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 01:56, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Swore I had said months as I did up top. Trillfendi (talk) 02:11, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Still not sure what the concern is. If we move Yandhi to Jesus Is King, all that months of work will be preserved in the edit history. I can also say that (while being aware of WP:OWN) I've contributed the most to this article. Moving this page wouldn't put anything "down the drain". Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 12:28, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

@Pinnkerton and MikeOwen: Pinging since both of you participated in the move conversation above. Besides Kardashian's picture of the track list, a representative for West confirmed to E! News that Jesus Is King will be his ninth studio album. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 00:47, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Splitting will only lead to Yandhi’s inevitable deletion. Trillfendi (talk) 02:50, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
Yandhi should be redirected to that subsection as there's no true indication that Yandhi is still a separate project. Keeping a Yandhi article would be similar to keeping Love Everyone and Turbo Grafx 16 articles separate from Ye. We can split off the Yandhi subsection if Yandhi is confirmed to be a separate album. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 03:12, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Weak support for a move leaving a redirect, then split into separate articles if Yandhi ends up being released. Although I initially thought that there should be two different articles for Jesus Is King and Yandhi, I came to my current position after reading this article. French Montana gave some info on what Kanye was working on, and said that his project was "heading in a spiritual direction," which is in line with Jesus Is King's theme. This suggests that the Jesus Is King effectively arose from the Yandhi project, making the latter relevant towards the former. I know this is a weakish argument, but with no tangible news concerning Yandhi and its future, and the probability that Jesus Is King came from it, I think that a move is the only real option: in my opinion, a draft for Jesus Is King wouldn't be very good since that is the release that takes precedence, since that is the one that will actually be released and will undoubtedly gain more media coverage than Yandhi from now on (unless, Yandhi is released, in which a split or a separate article is made. We can always access the article history to expand a potential Yandhi article if it's released). mike•owen discuss 11:43, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. Agree with MikeOwen's comments above. Ss112 22:50, 10 September 2019 (UTC)
  • Support. There has been no official talk of Yandhi since Jesus Is King was announced. --Kyle Peake (talk) 14:14, 11 September 2019 (UTC)

I told y’all the album wasn’t yandhi anymore... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.234.149.155 (talk) 00:45, 12 September 2019 (UTC)


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Jesus is King - seperate page?Edit

As it is not confirmed that "Jesus is King" is indeed Yandhi, or the fact that rumors are circulating of a different album in November, the best approach would be to make "Jesus is King" it's own seperate page on Wikipedia, before more information has been revealed. Who else would agree with this? TheWiselyStupidOne (talk) 17:02, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

The scope of the article is about West's ninth studio album, its background, recording, and eventual release. It was previously titled Yandhi and now it's titled Jesus Is King. Rumors of a separate Yandhi album are baseless and against WP:CRYSTAL. From Rap-Up: "Other UMG artists including The Weeknd, Migos, and Kanye West are reportedly set to release new albums in November as well. However, the information is questionable considering that Kanye previously announced a Sept. 27 release date for his album Jesus Is King." Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 18:57, 10 September 2019 (UTC)

Metro and GeniusEdit

These are cited as unreliable sources by Wiki. Could someone find sources to replace the information they provide or delete it if you cannot do so? --Kyle Peake (talk) 04:54, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

We can use Genius news reports, just not user-edited Genius lyrics. Where is Metro used as a source? I'll try to replace it. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 19:33, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

@Trillfendi: Hey, wanted to know which sources currently in the article you have an issue with? Not trying to goo back-and-forth reverting the issues template and I'll try to help out. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 19:35, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

At first glance, HipHopMore-n-More, HotNewHipHop, all social media, Highsnobiety, and TMZ are examples of things that need to go and be replaced by reliable sources. Trillfendi (talk) 19:46, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Looking at perennial sources, there should be no issue with these. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 22:58, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
You've been here long enough to know better, I'm sure. Trillfendi (talk) 23:23, 19 September 2019 (UTC):::
You're comment does help with the improvement of this article.. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 23:27, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
If you can't see why the likes of HotNewHipHop need to be removed, then I can't help you. Trillfendi (talk) 23:39, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
HotNewHipHop is used in plenty of hip-hop related articles. You may be unfamiliar with the site but it's not blacklisted or graylisted for being unreliable. I'm going to take off the template soon if this seems to be based on your personal understanding of the site's reliability. Maybe use the [better source needed] template instead and bring it to the talk page. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 23:42, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
I'm very familiar with the site (common fucking sense) and it's niche relativity to hip hop articles. That still doesn't hold up against the likes of Rolling Stone, Billboard, etc. (read: respectable music publications that actually do journalism) when the site is just a blog, not a reliable music source. The use of "HipHop-N-more", who by it's own admittance is a blog, is unprofessional to the point of embarrassment. Trillfendi (talk) 00:48, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
@Trillfendi: If you didn't notice, there was a discussion while ago on if HotNewHipHop should be an reliable source or not. Most editors agreed that the website is reliable. TheAmazingPeanuts (talk) 22:43, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
All that aside, how difficult is it to wait for the album to be released for proper verification to even come forth instead of treating Wikipedia like a crystal ball and salivating at any morsel of speculative information or outright rumors? Trillfendi (talk) 00:52, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
If you're talking about the source HipHop-N-more, it was simply used to report on the leaks that occurred. I can remove it later since the leaks have since received better coverage. The only source that you could argue is based on "rumor" is the one stating that West is recording in Wyoming. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 11:51, 20 September 2019 (UTC)
I addressed the reliance on primary sources which is to be avoided at all costs, therefore I didn’t retag the issue. There are only rare instances that Twitter, Instagram, and YouTube are allowed to be used. Trillfendi (talk) 01:32, 21 September 2019 (UTC)

The other sources appear fine now as Metro and Genius have since been removed @Nice4What:. Just not sure about TMZ. --Kyle Peake (talk) 22:11, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

TMZ being used for the October interview is alright since West was interviewed by the publication. Hopefully another source for recent recordings in Wyoming appear, though its worth noting TMZ was first to report the new ranch's purchase and Kim confirmed it days later. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 22:58, 19 September 2019 (UTC)
Don't see what has gone wrong with ref 39.[1] It is obvious that PF is a reliable source, though there is no reason the cite the homepage... --Kyle Peake (talk) 09:46, 20 September 2019 (UTC)

OrganizationEdit

Definitely worth noting that this article has issues with being organized. For example, "On August 29, 2019, Kardashian announced Jesus Is King by posting a handwritten track list of the project on her Twitter. The album has been proposed for release on September 27, 2019.[48] A representative for West reported to E! News that Jesus Is King would be his "latest album".[1] In early September 2019, West was reportedly finishing up the album with Pusha T at his newly-purchased ranch in Cody, Wyoming,[49] the same state where West recorded his previous two albums Ye and Kids See Ghosts. During Sunday Service on September 16, West confirmed the release date that Kardashian tweeted out.[50]" should be more covered in Release and promotion than a subsection of Background and recording. Also, anyone mentioned in the body should be WikiLinked on the first time they are mentioned; I fixed this mistake with Kim Kardashian. Could others help out pre-release so it doesn't get even more messy with the info to come on Friday onwards? --Kyle Peake (talk) 14:47, 22 September 2019 (UTC)

I fixed the organization and I've been trying to also fix this first mention issue as I've been revising the recording section. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 19:03, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
Nice4What Thanks, what's up with ref 37 tho? --Kyle Peake (talk) 19:21, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
Used to have the number of weeks updated for Sunday Service. Not sure how the reference broke. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 21:55, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
Maybe try using the wayback machine for it? --Kyle Peake (talk) 05:00, 23 September 2019 (UTC)
The citation in question was for the thirty-fourth week of Sunday Service and we're now onto week thirty-eight. We'd just need a new citation to update the count. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 18:11, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

CanceledEdit

Do we know for certain or are just speculating off sources? West or Kardashian haven't confirmed this... --Kyle Peake (talk) 20:36, 25 September 2019 (UTC)

To be honest if it’s not released in before Thanksgiving I say merge it to Kanye West. How long has this been going on? Over a year now. Trillfendi (talk) 22:06, 25 September 2019 (UTC)
The most reliable report of a cancellation comes from Variety, which I've incorporated as a hatnote. Also, completely opposed to ever merging this article to Kanye West lol. Recording would be ongoing. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 02:36, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
At this rate we’ll have a new president before it even comes out.... Trillfendi (talk) 02:38, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
Slated release date is still 27 September despite the rumors that came out today. Let's hope for the best :) Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Don't forget to share a Thanks ) 02:46, 26 September 2019 (UTC)
@Trillfendi: Might even be Ye's 2024 run at this rate lol. Also Nice4What, we can just leave the release date with a note for now and see how it ultimately turns out. --Kyle Peake (talk) 07:22, 26 September 2019 (UTC)

New tracklist?Edit

Kim Kardashian posted a new tracklist, apparently.

https://twitter.com/KimKardashian/status/1177721870503817216

Seeming as how this is such a last-minute change, I'd figure I could get some input on adding this. Thanks! –eggofreason(talk · contribs) 23:59, 27 September 2019 (UTC)

Take it with a grain of salt. A hotel notepad tracklist on the day that it should’ve been released (we all knew how that was gonna go) is not worthy of inclusion until an independent reliable source can verify. Pleased to see New Body resuscitated though. Trillfendi (talk) 00:10, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

"New Body" might been cut from the album.[2] - MakesNoMistakes (talk) 06:06, 29 September 2019 (UTC)

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