Talk:World Jewish Congress

Attack article

This text needs a good cleanup. For now I tagged it POV because it was turned into an attack article. ←Humus sapiens ^ну? 09:06, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Cite some examples before tagging. Why is it an "attack article"? It simply has some criticism of the organization. Nothing wrong with that. 71.83.115.3 07:51, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

This is definitely an attack article. Nothing about the development of the World jewish Congress, and absolutely nothing about the 80 year history of the Congress. Nothing about its projects or accomplishments, affiliations or branches. Just an entire page devoted to heresay over one year's worth of internal organizational politics to make them look bad. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.199.118.88 (talk) 21:37, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree that this is article is not encyclopedic but an attack piece. Every detail is added to portray the JWC in a negative light, and for this reason I removed the section entitled racist remarks. Quailane (talk) 09:42, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

everything has their positives and negatives, wikipedia isn't meant for propaganda of any sort. if you find something unbalanced, get it balanced not randomly delete things u don't like. Markthemac (talk) 03:19, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

On the Internet Nobody Knows You're a Dog

Hebrew, please. By 2010 is there anybody using Wikipedia who is naive enough to think any article relating to Jews isn't going to be an attack piece? Anti-semites used to have to slip around at night leaving pamphlets in the subway. The internet is the promised land for them, as it is for thirteen year old boys. A famous 1993 New Yorker cartoon has two dogs leaving a message on the internet. One says happily to the other, "On the internet, nobody knows you're a dog." Abandon all hope of fairness to Jews, ye who enter Wikipedia. But it's okay, because everybody knows about it. Relax. Wiki is still a great impartial source for film articles, paleontology, geography, and lots of interesting things. But not Jewish topics.Profhum (talk) 19:10, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

World Zionist Congress

What about World Zionist Congress or World Zionist Organization? --92.113.49.71 (talk) 16:24, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

International Jewish Committee on Interreligious Consultations

There is an organization called the International Jewish Committee on Interreligious Consultations that seems related to the WJC, although it's not clear who are the leaders of the group and what it does exactly. If anyone knows about this group, perhaps he should create a stub article on it. ADM (talk) 17:52, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Verifiable Sources and Vandalism

Once in a while vandals are visiting the article and deleting the sourced/verifiable information about the financial problems, internal power struggles, and the racist comments from WJC officials. Several of these edits can be traced back to the IP address: Special:Contributions/194.78.217.252, an ADSL account in Brussel, 252.217-78-194.adsl-static.isp.belgacom.be with a fixed IP address, hosting stern.be; and the single purpose user account Special:Contributions/Thaidigsmann - focused only on WJC and related themes, with no prior contributions or edits in Wikipedia, and no participation on the discussion/talk page. Michael Thaidigsmann, is a member of the [WJC Brussels Office] and using the domain stern.be as one of his email addresses michael.thaidigsmann@stern.be, he is also listed as a press contact for the European Jewish Congress. I assume the edits of thaidigsmann and IP address 194.78.217.252 were done with the good intentions of a lobbyist or pr official, but such efforts are generally exposed within Wikipedia and frowned upon. I will put the article on my watchlist to keep an eye on such vandals, IP addresses, thaidigsmann and other lobbyists; report to the administrators page and ban the accounts if necessary. Thaidigsmann's User_talk:Thaidigsmann talkpage already includes several vandalism warnings. The recent additions to the article however are more than welcome. Wikipedia is not the place for hate speech, corporate propaganda, or lobbyism. Wikipedia strongly defends the NPOV policy and requires balanced articles relying on verifiable sources. It would be even better, if the recent additions can be supported by such sources - if possible not only from the WJC website.Okinawasan (talk) 08:30, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

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No verifiable sources as Major contributor might been have been editing this page86.139.205.208 (talk) 06:16, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

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Hoax quotation

The quotation:

"more than three million Jews died in Poland and the Polish people are not going to be the heirs of the Polish Jews. We are never going to allow this.... They're gonna hear from us until Poland freezes over again. If Poland does not satisfy Jewish claims it will be publicly attacked and humiliated"

is most probably a hoax disseminated over the internet by Pogonowski. Not a single reliable web site gives it, but it spreads from Wikipedia to all sorts of extremist texts. (NB The same quotation is also given in Israel Singer.) Maitake (talk) 12:54, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Honestly this sort of provocation doesn't belong on an encyclopedia. Hoax or not it would be WP:UNDUE. --Calthinus (talk) 17:52, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

Pogonowski is not a very reliable source, but why do you assume it is a hoax propagated by him (he did mention it in 1998, yes: [1])? The article cites not him but Jewish group threatens Poland over restitution / Reuters. No link, but it's a 1996 article. I did find a claim that it is 'fake news' from Pognowski but this claim is sourced to a Polish unreliable discussion forum (["Jeśli Polska nie zaspokoi żydowskich żądań będzie publicznie atakowana i upokarzana na forum międzynarodowym”]). That said, I wasn't able to locate the reliable source for the quote, either. My search for the Reuters news article in English only found another unreliable forum post (from 2006 [2], claiming it is from Reuters April 19, 1996 Friday). I found a Polish translation of the quote and I found it mentioned among others in Robert Jankowski (2008). Cena "Strachu": Gross w oczach historyków. Fronda. ISBN 978-83-60335-32-1. and Marian Krzaklewski; Maciej Łętowski; Piotr Zaremba (1997). Czas na akcję. Tysol. ISBN 978-83-904625-1-6. but those are not very reliable sources (both books are published by small Polish right-wing presses, and those types of outlets are known for publishing anti-semitic rants or such). The most reliable source for the quote is [3] (article published in a Polish peer reviewed journal pl:Res Historica) but it cites Polish Wikipedia as the source of the quote, so it's not valid (WP:CITOGENESIS). A bit more searching found the English text cited on 1996-05-10 in [4], sourcing it to "From the Polish news group" (signed? JP). Which took me to [5] (Google Usenet search). The next earliest mention I found is by certain M Huber [6] (20-Apr-96) "Forwarded from ANA: WJC Demands Restitution, Issues Threats_ (ANA)" I couldn't find anything older, nor am I sure what ANA is, but I am strongly leaning to this being 1996 fake news, through I don't think Pogonowski is a source. Anyway, unless someone can find a reliable source for this report, I think we should conclude it is a hoax and remove it. Also we should remove it from pl wikipedia and pl wikiquote ([7], [8]). PS. This is the most reliable mention of this incident I've found so far Małgorzata Pakier; Bo Stråth (2010). A European Memory?: Contested Histories and Politics of Remembrance. Berghahn Books. pp. 186–. ISBN 978-1-84545-621-4. On page 190 it cites "World Jewish Congress Demands Prompt Action on Restitution", PAP news wire, 21 April 1996. But I cannot find the PAP report (maybe the title is translated from Polish). I also couldn't find anything about any big WJC conference or such in Buenos Aires in April 1996 outside [9] "In 1996 we organized a conference on all restitution subjects.". PPS. I'll also ping User:Volunteer Marek who removed it form [10] and who also questioned it at pl:Dyskusja:Israel Singer. PPPS. Even if this is was actually real and not fake news/hoax, I think this quote / incident is simply UNDUE. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:27, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

Piotrus I support removal. --Calthinus (talk) 21:29, 6 April 2020 (UTC)

Albania

@N.Hoxha, Sadko, and Amanuensis Balkanicus: Here is the WJC source for the event [[11]]. Imo, I'd prefer having smth like In January 2019 WJC President Lauder, the Albanian Ambassador to the UN Besiana Kadare, and the United Nations Department of Global Communications co-hosted an event discussing the actions of Albanians who protected Jews during the Holocaust in Albania..

Imo it is notable, but it is better to steer clear of simplifications (some Jews in Albanian controlled areas did die in camps), and also to avoid crediting/blaming whole nations for the pivotal decisions of individuals (well -- in the personal POV of just one Jew who interests himself in Balkan history -- this can be cringy). So Albanians who protected Jews rather than the generalizing Albanians during the Holocaust in Albania. Just my thoughts. Cheers all, --Calthinus (talk) 18:28, 29 March 2020 (UTC)

A few sentences may be justified, given it is reliably sourced, but not entire paragraphs per WP:UNDUE. Amanuensis Balkanicus (talk) 18:57, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

It's too broad, we need to shorten it, agreed. Sadkσ (talk is cheap) 21:49, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

I inserted one sentence into Other issues, which I think is the right balance.--Calthinus (talk) 18:26, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

References

Category needed

I think we need a category for WJC, and another one for people affiliated with it. Thoughts? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:47, 5 April 2020 (UTC)

No need to translate WJC in infobox

There is no need for 11 translations of the name in the infobox. If someone wishes to see translated versions of the name, they can go to that language's page. If there's a few prominent translations (for example, Hebrew and Yiddish), we can keep those. We don't need to clutter the infobox. Mapmaker345 (talk) 21:01, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

I agree and why is Arabic and Persian there?--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 13:37, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Peter Egner segment

The following section of the article needs to be corrected:

'In December 2010, Lauder publicly urged Serbia to extradite Peter Egner to the United States where he was wanted to stand trial for serving in a Nazi unit during World War II that murdered 17,000 Jews. Egner died in January 2011.'

Peter Egner did not reside in Serbia at the time his involvement in the Holocaust was recognized and confirmed. Serbia was actually urging the USA to extradite Egner in order to stand trial in Serbia, as cited in the reference article 173:

https://toronto.citynews.ca/news/world/article/159963--world-jewish-congress-urges-us-to-extradite-alleged-world-war-ii-nazi-to-serbia-for-trial/

You can also cross reference it with the article on Peter Egner himself:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Egner Buzzcock ratio (talk) 13:18, 31 May 2023 (UTC)