Talk:Vector Markup Language

Flash and VML support?

Does anyone know if this is used in Flash in anyway. I would suspect so since Macromedia were behind both. --Apoc2400 09:14, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Picture

I am not sure, but what is the sense of the link to the SVG picture? It's impossible to include a VML example? --Lastwebpage 23:27, 7 September 2007 (UTC) Well I included it to show what it looks like. I know it's not in VML, but that is what it would look like if it was in VML :) Only IE supports VML, so it's kinda pointless actually using VML instead. I don't even know if wikipedia supports VML. JohnFlux 09:48, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not support VML. Only Microsoft supports VML. And because not everyone supports SVG, Mediawiki renders the SVG as a PNG picture. --Ysangkok (talk) 18:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

Incorrect information

The article notes: "compared to SVG that is natively supported by Firefox, Opera, and Safari inline only in XHTML mode.". This is wrong. If one uses data URI's one can embed a SVG picture in a HTML document. One must base64 encode the picture first. --Ysangkok (talk) 18:39, 17 October 2008 (UTC)

You can inline anything with data URIs, at the price of making it an opaque blob that takes up more space. That's not the common meaning of "inline SVG". But SVG can be inlined in (non-X) HTML per the HTML5 spec, and Firefox 3.6 already supports that if you set the html5.enable flag.--87.162.49.21 (talk) 13:58, 1 March 2010 (UTC)

Turning this article into a holy shrine for VML

Just in case you're planning to turn this article into your personal holy shrine for VML again, please be aware that Wikipedia is not a blog, webspace provider, social networking, or memorial site. Please discuss controversial edits on the talk page and/or the edit summary and try to get consensus. Ghettoblaster (talk) 20:45, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Using free dialogue to Ghettoblaster

I don't change anything for instant. Thanks for html inclusion mention (...). I'll try to find another image if you don't like this wonderful one. But look at some examples on this Website: http://www.svg-vml.net. There are real and true 3D effects. Sometimes it could be easy to think that you are afraid about your holly SVG. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.255.90.15 (talk) 15:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Nice to see that you're finally willing to discuss your recent edits, so I assume that you have noble intentions. First of all, I'm not trying to dictate what should be in this article and what should not. However, many of your edits appear to be not very constructive so that I and some other editors categorized them as vandalism, i.e. you repeatedly deleted formatting, inserted random blank lines, deleted references or properly referenced content for no apparent reason. You also added some amount of content that seemed to violate the neutral point of view rules of Wikipedia. I hope you try to be more evenhanded when editing on Wikipedia in the future. I'm sorry if you got the impression that I prefer SVG. Let me assure you that even if this was the case, I'd still try to be as fair-minded as possible here. I'd revert similar edits on any other article when I notice them.

Regarding the picture I suggest using something more neutral like in the articles XML, CSS, SVG, etc. I'll try to create and upload something like this for VML. Regarding the 3D effects that you mentioned, those seem to be just 3D effects and nothing more. You could achieve similar effects with any other scriptable 2D vector markup language. I fail to see how VML is anything special here. As far as I know VML was not created with 3D in mind. Compare this to 3D markup languages like 3DMLW, VRML, X3D, COLLADA. Thanks. Ghettoblaster (talk) 16:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Enhances and improves

"Microsoft enhances and improves this vector format" -- that's hardly a neutral statement. I'm hesitant to just jump in and fix it, given the previous edit wars on this page, but I'd like to suggest for consensus "Microsoft continues to support this format", or if someone can find an appropriate citation, perhaps "...continues to develop..." Comments? 190.92.6.91 (talk) 22:39, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

You were absolutely right. Well spotted. I have tried to improve the statement, with two citations - one to MS's own MSDN and the other to a book published in 2003, that you can verify on-line via Google books. I hope that that is balanced enough and more realistically reflects the world as it is. --Nigelj (talk) 11:28, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Excellent, neutral, and well cited. Good job, Nigel! 190.92.6.85 (talk) 23:42, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Why, thank you, kind sir or ma'am :-) --Nigelj (talk) 10:06, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

VML since 1998

Elements like "v:vmlframe" or "v:extrusion" have been created since 1998, and some attributes have changed (rotate, inset, o:opacity2 ...). VML was already very complete in 1998 but has really progressed since the W3C submission.

PS: I think that the 2 examples (SVG/VML) are unwelcome. They compete the two formats. It could be interresting to translate the french Wiki article (wich is fine). —Preceding X comment added by A VML developper (talk) 07:16, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

We depend on WP:V verifiable, WP:RS reliable sources for statements here. The current statement is sourced to Hirtzler (2003), which says, "Support for Microsoft's submission, VML, has been realized in Internet Explorer, but development stopped in the autumn of 1998." If you have a reliable source that contradicts that, or says that development re-commenced after 2003, we can incorporate that into the article. As the features are so similar, and so many people are familiar with SVG, comparing snippets of the two is reasonable. --Nigelj (talk) 16:13, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

OpenOffice support reference needed

I know OpenOffice Writer at least supports VML as it is able to import shapes from Word (all of which are VML), but can't find a proper reference for this - it's currently listed as "citation needed". _ɹəəpıɔnı 23:08, 25 March 2010 (UTC)

Can OOo import shapes from a Word doc that has been saved as HTML? I think that that would be the proof of VML reading, as we have no evidence that shapes are stored as actual VML in binary .doc files. In fact, the way VML is described here, it can only be written as part of an HTML document, using that strange namespace declaration, the filetype in the info box is given as HTML, etc. --Nigelj (talk) 12:18, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Google Maps API v2 is deprecated

I altered a sentence that previously talked about Google Maps' use of VML for IE5.5+, to say:

Version 2 of the Google Maps JavaScript API used to use VML for vector paths on Internet Explorer 5.5+,[5] but has been officially deprecated in favour of version 3, which does not.[6]

I see that User:82.250.210.57 has misinterpreted this, saying among other things, "VML is not depreciated".diff I hope that what I wrote is clear. If not please suggest a better way to put it, or maybe we should leave out Google Maps API altogether, as the current version (v3) does not mention VML anyway. --Nigelj (talk) 12:14, 26 May 2010 (UTC)