Talk:Uriankhai

Groups

There have been 3 groups of Urianhai:

1. Urianhai as one of the 6 tumens of Dayan Khaan in Estern Mongolia. (Perhaps these are the Urianhai led by Nagachu who allied with the Ming in the 14th century) Nowadays there are Inner Mongols who identify themselves as Urianhai.

2. Urianhai as part of the Oirats. Their descendants live in Bayan-Olgii and Hovd aimags. Sometimes they are called Altai-iin Urianhai.

These 2 are said to be the descendants of the Urianhan tribe from which came Zelme, one of the 9 warlords of Genghis Khan.

3. Urianhai another name of Tuva people. It is unclear why thery were called Urianhai. Part of them, living in Mongolia are called Monchoogo-Urianhai.

Gantuya eng

Thanks for the info! Regarding number 2, are those Mongol or Tuvan Urianhai? On number 3, Monchoogo sounds like the Tuvan Monchak. Tuvans living in China also use this name. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 15:08, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Number 2 are Oirats who are Western Mongols. The Kalmyks branched from the Oirats. Gantuya eng

The reason I ask is because Tuvans also live in Bayan-Olgii and Hovd aimags and have been known to use the name Altai Tuvas. Also, where do Monchoogo-Uriankhai live? --Stacey Doljack Borsody 15:40, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

As I understand, the Altai Tuvans you mention are the Monchoogo-Urianhai. The Tsaatan (reaindeer people) in Huvsgul aimag are also said to have come from Tuva. Gantuya eng

What about the Khövsgöl Uriankhai (living east of Khövsgöl nuur)? Are they Tuvans or Mongols? Yaan 20:03, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

If their language and origin are different from the Oirat-Urianhai, then they ought to be the Tuvans.Gantuya eng 05:28, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Sborsody's additions

To correct this sentence "Chinus is an early clan which from Borjigon the Great Khan Chingis's clan descended.", the meaning needs clarification. Does it mean
"Chinus is an early clan from which Borjigon, the Great Khan Chingis's clan, descended."
or
"Chinus is an early clan which descended from Borjigon, the Great Khan Chingis's clan." ?

All the text following this sentence needs improvement as language-wise as content-wise.Gantuya eng 16:18, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Honestly I don't know. I had moved the content someone else wrote from Tuvans http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Tuvans&diff=cur&oldid=153499389. They probably meant from which. I'm hoping someone here can clear it up. --Stacey Doljack Borsody 16:41, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Uriankhai and Forest people

I removed the connection for now as it seems a bit unclear for me. I will look it up in the Secret History of the Mongols, but I think the two terms may not be really synonymous. Yaan (talk) 18:03, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Uriankhai historical confusion solved!!!

Uriankhai is almost a founding tribe of Mongols. If you know Ergune Kun legend after fighting broke out between Mongol and Turk tribes Mongols were defeated and runaway into a secluded Iron ored mountain somewhere in north Mongolia. The two tribes who run away referred to as Nokhos or Nukuz and Uriankhai. After living there for a while these two tribes multiplied into other names probably. Then during Ghenghis Khaan time Zelme saved Genghis Khaans life many times and there were a lot of close and powerful Uriankhais next to Genghis Khaan, like Zebe, Subudai and many more. During that time they lived in Khentii area, after Ghenghis Khaan's death they were guarding his tomb. And as known from some historical sources in or around 1600 or 1700 many of them moved to western Mongolia after the argument of Sain Majig Noeon of Uriankhai and Tusheet Khan, because Sain Majig Noeon despised the cruelty of Tusheet Khan towards Oirats during their raid on them.

It is unknown whether those who migrated to Altai became allies or subjugates of Oirats, on the records Oirats did not include them into Oirat House, but it seems they have participated in Amarsanaa of Khoid and Chingunjav of Khotgoid rebellion like all other Mongols according to Dr. Chuluun's "History of Oirat Mongols".

To some degree Genghis Khaan might have been Uriankhai himself, in Secret History of Mongols written that fair complexion Malig Bayud Uriankhai slave might have impregnated foremothers of Genghis Khaan.

And most confusingly according to one legend Choros clan who were the ruling clan of Oirat is said to have decended from Uriankhai.

Today there are a lot of Uriankhais in Both among Central Mongolia and in the Western Mongolia and Uriankhai clan name was registered in every province of Mongolia.

If this is not the case Uriankiad as it is spelled sometimes in historical texts might have been same tribe as Kiad clan where Genghis Khaan came from.

Uriangkhai's everywhere... All over Mongolia, Xinjang, Inner Mongolia, Russia (living as Tuvan's, which speak in Turkic language).

Bayan-Ulgii province where now lives majority Kazakhs is actually Altai Uriangkhai Territory and it was called Uriakhai Frontier, Khovd has two Uriankhai soums Munkhkhairkhan and Duut. Uriankhais make around 20 percent of Bayan-Ulgii Province. And there are a lot of Uriankhais in Gobi-Altai, Zavhan, Hubsugul, Khentii but seems to me they actually do not know that they are Uriankhais.

After Soviet Red Army chased orthodox Kazakhs from Eastern Kazakhstan Kazakhs headed by Ospan Batiir moved into Bayan-Ulgii this in turn triggered many Uriankhais to migrate to Ulaanbaatar City and Central Mongolia.

First Uriankhais were renting the land to Kazakhs, but when they moved in at the first half of 1900's in large numbers, because of Red Army attacks, Mongolian leaders formed them a new province and called it Bayan-Ulgii. —Preceding unsigned comment added by UriankhainNoeon (talk • contribs) 07:22, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

I tried to read and understand the above, and now I've got a headache.

• "almost a founding tribe"
• "If you know Ergune Kun legend"
• "two tribes multiplied into other names"
• "from some historical sources in or around 1600 or 1700"
• "It is unknown"
• "it seems they have participated"
• "most confusingly according to one legend"
• "If this is not the case"

How is any of this supposed to "solve" anything? With all respect to your enthusiasm, please organize your thoughts in an understandable way before posting here. And most importantly, if you intend to contribute to articles, you will need to find reliable published third-party sources to support your claims. --Latebird (talk) 14:54, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Languages

Tuvans are Uriankhai and they speak Turkic. Can Turkic language be added to the languages ​​section?

No. The article for the tuvans makes a clear distinction. The tuvans are a turko-mongol people, whereas this article covers a separate people of mongol descent. The fact that tuvans are called uriankhai in Mongolia is largely down to the fact that all people in the region were simply known as uriankhai by the main mongolian populations. It is only in more recent history that we make distinctions between the two. This article are about the non-turkic uriankhai who dont speak turkic, thus adding turkic language to the infobox is inappropriate! Vif12vf/Tiberius (talk) 01:55, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

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