Talk:United States Disciplinary Barracks

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• if the jail are just for offers where to they put the listed man? prvits qut,sgants?
  • First paragraph clarified to address your questions. Movementarian 12:40, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

Rewrite and Expansion

I have expanded and rewritten this article using the references listed. As this is my first major rewrite, I would appreciate if a more experienced user would correct any mistakes I may have made. Movementarian 20:12, 30 October 2005 (UTC)

The federal prison is south of the USDB, not north of it.

The whole article needs to be rewritten.

The old building has been torn down and you can no longer refer to it as the "Castle" when one no longer exists.

Also the pictures need to be updated to reflect the new building and the old one. Trentc —The preceding signed but undated comment was added at 02:00, August 27, 2007 (UTC).

There are still parts of the old USDB standing. 12th brick grille is located there. http://garrison.leavenworth.army.mil/Services/12th_Brick_Grille.asp One should add that MOS 31E are the guards. Also that they are called cage kickers by the support MOS. Should also add that it falls under the 15th MP BRG/ 40th MP BN. There is a press release out about PFC Maning being at the JCRF until his trial is over. Should add that it is in a restricted area, so the public is not allowed even in the area, but you can see it from off base on coffin rd. Micahhiggs (talk) 03:17, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

more caucasians?

Witt is listed here as the only caucasian, but then on Kreutzer's link, he, I believe, is listed as caucasian. Are they both? Is one not? Maybe it would work to delete the affirmation of Witt's status as the only caucasian (at least until confirmed). --Coryma 00:26, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

I concur. I noticed the same thing too right now, and it's more than three months since. --ShawnLee 27 September 2006

I removed that line text as the reference disputes it clearly states that there are two Caucasians on military death row —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.128.224 (talk • contribs)

historical/famous prisoners

Leavenworth has had all kinds of famous prisoners - someone care to take on writing a paragraph to describe its historical importance? --lquilter 06:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

What is the ref under the picture about?

All it says is mock? Adam Weeden 12:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

It refers to the name of the author listed in the references section. I've rolled them together into one note. ✤ JonHarder ^talk 00:31, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

German POW numbers

The History section says 14 German POWs were killed in 1945, while the Capital punishment section says 12 POWs were killed in 1944. Looks like the first number/date comes from a 2003 survey of the headstones in the cemetery, while the second comes from a partially illegible list found in a Pentagon filing cabinet (which, on the website of the DPIC, also shows 14, not 12). Is there an authoritative source somewhere? Ratbasket 12:41, 5 August 2007 (UTC)

Removing "Current death row inmates" section

I am removing the "Current death row inmates" section per WP:BLP. I don't see any citation for the names in this section and I can't find a list at the Fort Leavenworth site, so there's no way to know that they all belong here and some are not just joke edits. Hopefully the editor who originally added these names can provide a WP:RS and the section can be restored. --CliffC 01:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

I think this may be the reference you are looking for here. Anyone have any reservations about adding this list back into the main article? Tan | 39 17:39, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Contradictory information

In one part of the article it states that the last person executed at Leavenworth was in the 1960s, it then mentions that another was conducted in the 1980s. Am I reading this wrong? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 152.91.9.215 (talk) 01:39, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Redirect from Leavenworth

I would think that the Leavenworth entry should redirect to this article, instead of to Leavenworth, Kansas. Outside of Kansas, the military prison is the more common use for the name, not the city. I was bold and updated the redirect. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 18:59, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to me. ✤ JonHarder ^talk 14:00, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

Strongly Oppose - It should go to disambiguation and I will move it. The more famous of the two prisons is the federal penitentiary and not the disciplinary barracks (e.g., the phrase "I did time at Leavenworth" usually refers to the federal pen and not the barracks). Plus there is so much history associated with Fort Leavenworth a disambig is the really only choice. Thank you for at least discussing it. Americasroof (talk) 14:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

I have no objection to it going to the disambig instead. I just didn't feel the article for the city in Kansas was the best default target (not the most common usage). The funny thing is, the Leavenworth (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) entry itself used to be the disambig (many years back, before the fort, penitentiary, or the disciplinary barracks were part of the disambig). --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 01:09, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for being very polite and posting here. I probably would never have noticed it otherwise. It's amazing that it did not stay as a disambig. It did get me going on trying to update the article since it's likely to get a lot more attention soon as part of the Gitmo thing. In the for what it's worth department, I lived in Leavenworth for a couple years and was inside the walls of both the Castle and the Big Top. I kept meaning to circle around and update the articles. Thanks again. Americasroof (talk) 02:11, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Update: Earlier today the disambig was moved back to Leavenworth, where it started and where it seems to still belong. So, this is fully cleaned up now. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 16:59, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! And special thanks for going the extra mile to get 'er done! Americasroof (talk) 18:09, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

Bradley Manning

There are two new military prisons at Fort Leavenworth. The USDB and the Midwest Correctional Institution. Reputable sources say Bradley Manning is going to the Correctional Institution and not the DB. This editor is aggressively edit warringsaying Manning is going to the USDB -- on the basis of a photo because the USDB is new -- they're both new !!!!!Americasroof (talk) 04:20, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Oh, come on! Aggressive edit waring? WP:AFG. The WP article on the new facility needs work (which I mentioned) and the writer of the news story does not know which facility is which. WP:COOL. WP:WIKILOVE. --S. Rich (talk) 04:32, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

How can anyone who has not even been convcited of anything be "going" anywhere? Trentc (talk) 09:39, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Manning's first name is still Bradley. His name has not been legally changed and the article should reflect that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.195.179.49 (talk) 04:23, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

Robert Bales

Robert Bales is the nearby Midwest Correctional Institution also at Fort Leavenworth. The Disciplinary Barracks is targeted for CONVICTED hardcore criminals. The Midwest Correctional Institution is targeted for lesser criminals and those awaiting charges. This is the same situtationas Bradley Manning (see above) http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/avantgo/2017771655.html Americasroof (talk) 10:46, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Propose adding Timothy Hennis to the death row section

Inmate Hennis is a former master sergeant in the Army that was convicted of murdering a mother and two of her daughters in 1985 in Fayetteville, NC. I propose adding him because, while he doesn't have a Wiki article, his case has gained notability because he was courtmartialed and convicted after being acquitted in a North Carolina court almost 20 years earlier and the story made national headlines, resulting in some television specials. He actually went to court three times, once in 1986 for his initial conviction and death sentence, again in a 1989 retrial where he was acquitted, and a third time where he was recalled to active duty two years after retiring and convicted in a 2010 court-martial. Right now, he is appealing the case (he has done so several times already) because his lawyers are claiming that the Army didn't have jurisdiction to try him. Amducker (talk) 10:23, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

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Haven't been able to reach the USDB home page for days - can Americans?

I'm fairly sure I've been on the United States Disciplinary Barracks site in the past but I've been trying to reach it for 3-4(?) days without success. No amount of searching for a new site is getting me anywhere. I can reach army.mil but not leavenworth.army.mil or anything with that as part of the address. I can't find a link to USDB on army.mil.

There is a link to the home page in the references of this article. Could someone in the US see if you can reach the site and if so, maybe you can round up a few overseas friends (in this day and age, we ALL have overseas friends!) and see if they can reach it. If it turns out that people outside the US can't access it, please add a note to that effect and... if there is a portal for overseas folks, supply that link, too. Ta muchly!

Mathsgirl (talk) 23:07, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

From the United States:

• leavenworth.army.mil by itself doesn't have a DNS entry.
• http://www.leavenworth.army.mil/ has an IPv4 address but it isn't responding.
• http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/ is up.
• http://garrison.leavenworth.army.mil/ is up.
• http://usdb.leavenworth.army.mil/ has an IPv4 address but it isn't responding.
• http://usacac.leavenworth.army.mil/ is a 404, but http://usacac.army.mil/ is up.

--Closeapple (talk) 06:47, 30 September 2016 (UTC)

TITLE CHANGE

Recommendation: This Article is very informative regarding USDB Ft Leavenworth and therefore should be retitled USDB Ft Leavenworth. It was not the Army's first or only for a significant period of Army History: "By July, 1944, three branch DB's had been opened at the following locations: Eastern Branch, Green Haven, New York; Southern Branch, North Camp Hood, Texas; and Northwestern Branch,Fort Missoula, Montana. In 1945, seven additional branches of the USDB were established as follows: Southeastern Branch, Camp Gordon, Georgia; Central Branch, Jefferson Barracks, Missouri; Northern Branch, Milwaukee, Wisconsin; Midwestern Branch, Fort Benjamin Harrison, Indiana; Southwestern Branch, Camp Haan, California; East Central Branch, New Cumberland, Pennsylvania; and Northeastern Branch, Pine Camp, New York. Available records reflect that the ten branches received a total of almost 2,000 prisoners in the year 1945 alone." Reference HISTORY OF THE UNITED STATES DISCIPLINARY BARRACKS, 1875-PRESENT LIBRARY CGSC fT LEAVENWORTH KAN AUG 24 1978 Student Study Project #4-016 USACGSC Fort Leavenworth, Kansas. Meyerj (talk) 13:32, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Chelsea Manning description in "Former notable inmates" section

In Chelsea Manning's description as a former inmate, the ending of the first sentence that stated "while known as Bradley Manning" was removed by MaxHarmony due to it being considered Manning's deadname from before he came out as transgender. While I understand that this is a very sensitive subject to many that have came out, by deleting Manning's birthname from the article, it may cause confusion for some visitors to this page.

Based on MOS:BIRTHNAME, the birth name of a mentally ill person should only be used in the lead sentence of the subject if they were notable prior to coming out. While this isn't the Chelsea Manning article and he goes by the name Chelsea now, he committed the crimes and was court-martialed while known as Bradley, and didn't publicly state that he would want to be known as Chelsea until after being convicted. Also, the USDB is officially an all-male military correctional facility, which may confuse people that will want to know why a trans-female was confined in an all-male facility.

Maybe the community needs to come up with a decision whether or not Manning's birth name needs to be included in the description of his crimes strictly for clarity for people that may not go to the Chelsea Manning article for further information and not for the purpose of misgendering like some people may be concerned with. Amducker (talk) 18:57, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

I do understand the concern about confusion, but I think the link to his article is sufficient to alleviate any confusion caused. And, frankly, the blame for any confusion lies firmly at the feet of the US Army. MaxHarmony (talk) 01:55, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by the statement about any confusion being the fault of the Army, but if you are implying that they should have sent Manning to Miramar instead of the USDB due to his gender identity, the DOD has barely scratched the surface on figuring out how to integrate mentally ill service members into the military that are free, let alone figure out how to deal with the wishes and needs of a mentally ill inmate. Amducker (talk) 03:06, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Edit war

With this reversion, User:Blob the troll has engaged in WP:EDITWAR. Should he persist despite my repeated warnings, I shall report him at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring. Incidentally, the troll's underlying edit violates Wikipedia policy, achieved after protracted debate, declaring that Manning be referred to throughout this encyclopedia as Chelsea. See Talk:Chelsea Manning. KalHolmann (talk) 00:58, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2022

Remove this:

• William Kreutzer Jr. – Killed an officer and wounded 18 fellow soldiers during a shooting rampage a shooting rampage. He was initially sentenced to death, but his death sentence was reduced to life in prison with the possibility of parole on appeal. X - This contains a repeating phrase and is missing information.

Replace it with this:

• William Kreutzer Jr. – Killed an officer and wounded 18 fellow soldiers at Fort Bragg when he opened fire on them in the callisthenics field during a physical training formation. He was initially sentenced to death, but his death sentence was reduced to life in prison with the possibility of parole on appeal. Y - This is the correct details, with the information found on the linked page. (Name) Sythewave (talk) 00:59, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

 Done. Aidan9382 _(talk) 18:25, 21 April 2022 (UTC)