Talk:Trope (linguistics)
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Examples edit
Hi guys, I still don't really get the concept. Could you add some examples? Ta Dublinblue (Simon in Dublin) (talk) 09:38, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
=Rendell Nagpiing jrendell_31@yahoo.com ex. The windows of the house glared down at him.
Clarifications edit
it's not clear if abnormal means non dictionary definition or just unusual. e.g. does using 'the white house' to describe the president meet the definition in the dictionary? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.134.54.54 (talk) 00:02, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
I question the use of the expression "hired hands" as an example. In this context "hand" refers to a person helping with some work (consider: deckhand, stable hand), not to the part of the body. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.181.102.242 (talk) 09:01, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Etymology edit
Uh, I think the Greek is tropos, not trope. See Webster's Third International. Jrgetsin (talk) 16:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
- Of course, it's from tropos. I'll fully justify it in my next post here. In the meanwhile, I'm changing it. Omnipedian (talk) 15:47, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
The whole thing is a complete misunderstanding of where the -e in the word comes from. The original word was the Ancient Greek τρόπος (masc.) which was borrowed in Latin as tropus (masc.). Its accusative form tropum became le trope [trɔpɘ] (<e> standed for [ə]) in Old French. The word exists in Modern French too, pronounced as [trɔp], and as a loanword from either Old French or Latin into English, in which it acquired a variety of different meanings. This is the standard (and completely justified from a historical and morphophonological viewpoint) etymology given by OED, Merriam-Webster and Larousse Dictionnaire (and of course Wiktionary).
Now, User:The Cat and the Owl keeps adding (in good faith, nevertheless) to the following articles Trope (linguistics), Trope (literature), and Literary trope, Trope (music) a completely false and unreferenced etymology, according to which trope somehow comes from τροπή a word that was never adopted in Latin or in French/English. If it were, it would have the form: Latin *tropa (fem.), French *la trope, English trope *[troʊpiː] (as in catastrophe). But, there is no such historical evidence and that etymology makes no sense. He also mistakenly inserts the statement that τροπή "turn, turning" comes from τρόπος, while in fact there is no evidence that either of these words was based on the other; they are rather considered as siblings coming from the Proto-Greek root *trop-.
--Omnipaedista (talk) 18:05, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
Duplicate Article edit
Trope (linguistics) and Trope (Literature) should be merged into one article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.134.232.158 (talk) 19:03, 26 April 2009 (UTC)