The fact of the matter of the Thorn Hill high-school attended by the defendant Minassian is entirely relevent to the identity dynamics of the case. Whoever said its irrelevent probably didn`t go to school, have a first kiss on a first date, or otherwise learn how to "fit in". It is a well known fact, supported or unsupported, that Thorn Hill is a predominantly Jewish area of Ontario.
The demographic of, oh, say, Old Colony Rd. in North York is obviously different to that of Thorn Hill. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.108.40.206 (talk) 13:48, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
- Your text was reverted for two reasons. You need to have a reliable source, for example a newspaper reference to include text in Wikipedia. Secondly, your text did not make it clear what relevance it had on Minassian or the van attack. That's why your text is basically irrelevant. You might as well have said that he had a mole on his face. Without any context, it's of no use to anyone. Alaney2k (talk) 14:14, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
That would be Alaney2k`s PERCEPTION of what is relevant; by that logic, the entire INCEL banter as well as the defendant being of The Toronto Armenian Community. Agenda or perception is entirely relative, but both the fact that the dude went to a predominantly Jewish high-school (a lot of life-changing events happen in high-school|fact) and the fact that the dude is listed as in the Armenian Community are even MORE PERTANENT than having visited an online community once. Its like people go to school EVERY day dude, and Church or Temple or wherever are like WEEKLY, right? How do you not get that?
The context is there, its simply not on your agenda to find it. Please be more constructive in future. Meaow220.127.116.11 (talk) 15:51, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
- Best wishes. Alaney2k (talk) 16:06, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
- IP, stop adding your own synthesis and original research into the article. I've left the addition of your trivia, in the interests of not edit warring, but removed your unsourced additions. --NeilN talk to me 19:53, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
- I removed it. If they are put back we will have the article locked due to BPL and OR violations. Eventually this guy will go on trial and motive will be examined. At that time what comes up in the trial will be put in the article. This individual will not be tried on Wikipedia. Richard-of-Earth (talk) 20:24, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
- I can't see how an area having a high proportion of Jewish residents is relevant to Minassian or this crime. I'm not aware of Minassian having mentioned Jews or Judaism. It has nothing to do with his motivation. Jim Michael (talk) 01:38, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
I am wondering if it is appropriate to label Minassian as a 25-year-old Canadian white male. We've seen his picture enough. I am not sure if we include 'white' as in white male in articles. In that case, Caucasian might be npov in this case? I don't see how the Jewish or the Armenian factors are relevant, but they have not been established by any reliable sources anyway. A mention in a website does not count. That someone has an Armenian-sounding name doesn't necessarily mean anything. His mother could be of some other ethnicity. If the family has been here for generations, they may not self-identify as Armenian. On hockey articles, we have had lots of authors claim so-and-so as xxx ethnicity, but there is rarely any solid evidence to bolster the point and we usually toss it. In this case, at first, there was some speculation about the attack being the day before the anniversary of the genocide 100 and some odd years ago, but there has been no evidence to bolster that, so Armenian is so far not relevant. As for the Jewish neighbourhood, there has not been any reports of ethnic conflict in that area that might make it relevant and no other evidence. To the best of my knowledge, the area is pretty quiet. We might be able to characterize the home neighbourhood by income level, but it has not been established how long the family has lived there, or really any detail about Minassian in any solid way. Has it yet been established that Minassian is a Canadian citizen/national? Alaney2k (talk) 22:54, 13 May 2018 (UTC)
- If he wasn't Canadian, we'd have certainly heard so by now. We know he's white by looking at his skin, but unless this has secondary coverage, we shouldn't say so. Whether he's from Jewish and/or Armenian stock is relatively unclear and unimportant, at least for now. If these factor into this event, we'll certainly hear so at trial. I'd bet my bottom dollar he didn't play hockey, which also doesn't matter so much. InedibleHulk (talk) 23:01, May 14, 2018 (UTC)
There were several news reports that another man that goes by the same Armenian name living in the same city as the defendant has been harassed by reporters; difference is spelled "Alex" in the more liberally used identity/name as opposed to the more specific identifying name as per the defendants spelling of "Alek". Use of this spelling was most certainly EXPLICIT, negating the idea that "If the family has been here for generations, they may not self-identify as Armenian." Sum it up, another young Canadian-Armenian from Toronto shares the same name (in Armenian), the Armenian Community of Toronto released a statement-of-condolences concerning the incident carried by the National Post; that`s certainly reference sufficient with which to have ascertained the article should mention "Armenya" or "Armenian". Now there is an Person Infobox as well as the Incident Infobox, one should think the more comprehensive data should be available; add this (Armenian: ?, Armenian pronunciation: [?])18.104.22.168 (talk) 14:31, 21 May 2018 (UTC)
Going through a link run around of sources citing sources, none actually prove the account wasn't simply a 4chan prank made after the fact. I remember seeing the only post people ever saw, but was there actual verifiable activity on the account before the event, did the account even exist before the date of the attack?
The central core of the incel narrative on this guy is thread bare. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 22.214.171.124 (talk) 12:05, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- It's not Wikipedia's role to independently reinvestigate whether the media got stuff right or wrong — we're an encyclopedia, not an investigative journalism project. Take your issue up with the media if you disagree with their reporting, but until media report that the coverage of Minassian was wrong it's not Wikipedia's job to say anything that diverges from the existing media coverage. Bearcat (talk) 14:07, 4 April 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with Bearcat. Investigative journalism within Wikipedia constitutes original research. Johnny Au (talk/contributions) 01:30, 5 April 2019 (UTC)