Talk:Theriac

Origin of theriac

Theriac was a formulation of the ancient Greeks. It did not originate with the Middle English term, Venice treacle, a later version. I believe Moyse Charas was the first European to widely publish the formula for theriac. Therefore, I am against the merging of these articles. –Mattisse (Talk) 23:11, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

me too, (your faithful sock :))) 140.109.169.10 (talk) 17:25, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

From what I can see from the articles, both treat effectively the same phenomenon, but use different names.

-The history section of "Theriac" starts with king Mithridates VI of Pontus and Emperor Nero's physician Andromachus, whereas the article about "Venice treacle" states the latter to be synonymous with "Theriaca Andromachi", i.e. the theriac Andromachus analysed after the defeat of Mithridates. (There was also a small paragraph about this in the original article "Theriaca Andromachi").

-The article "Theriac" then continues covering time from Andromachus before Christ to post-renaissance pharmacists as late as 1884. The article "Venice treacle" instead presents an ingredient list allegedly published in the 17th century.

-From the article "Theriac" it is clear that the name "Venice treacle" is simply the Middle English name for the traditional theriac, among other "treacles", being Middle English for "theriacs".

In my opinion, the articles should thus be merged. I see no argument not to, apart from the same laziness that will prevent me from doing it for the moment. Beryllium-9 (talk) 00:36, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

The ingredients of Theriaca Andromachi Senioris were well known before Moyse Charas's book. This may easily be verified in the Pharmacopoeia Amstelredamensis (1636) etc. W Michel (talk) 20:35, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

If you'd just transcribe that Pharmacopoeia Amstelredamensis notice into the article, I'm sure someone can provide a translation, and then we can drop the Latin into a supportive footnote.--Wetman (talk) 05:38, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

Galene

Is "Galene" another word for theriac? Or are they separate things?--الدبوني (talk) 15:19, 26 December 2018 (UTC)