Talk:The Nutcracker

Modern adaptations

I have deleted this part of the article because it is already covered in the Wikipedia article "List of adaptations of "The Nutcracker" '. AlbertSM (talk) 20:40, 29 August 2011 (UTC) 20:39, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Film

I have changed the reference to Fantasia 1942. There is no such film as Fantasia 1942. Besides, the film was cut severely for the 1942 re-release and the soundtrack album features all of the music except for the jam session in the intermission segment. AlbertSM (talk) 20:39, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Second Suite

Any reference for the second suite Tchaikovsky put together? I did a really quick search but couldn't find anything. Any publisher has it in its catalog? I wouldn't be surprised that it actually exists, but I've never heard of it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 184.161.113.146 (talk) 01:47, 13 November 2011 (UTC)

The Burlesque Nutcracker

Why isn't this listed under "In Popular Culture?" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.91.201.209 (talk) 16:54, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Edit of July 4, 2014 by MrLopez2681

I have removed the following statement, which refers to the detailed instructions Marius Petipa provided Tchaikovsky for the music of "The Nutcracker" - "The composer did not appreciate having to work under such constraints and found himself reluctant to work on the ballet." This statement is completely untrue. Tchaikovsky also received detailed instructions for "The Sleeping Beauty" (premiered 1890), the success of which caused Tchaikovsky to proclaim that with no one but Petipa would he create ballets. The reference/source for this statement has been credited to the site BalletAlert!, which is filled with its own share of incorrect information. However it is true that Tchaikovsky did have his moments of frustration while composing. I have two excellent and unrivaled books that detail the first production of "The Nutcracker": "Tchaikovsky's Ballets" and, even better, "The Life and Ballet of Lev Ivanov", both by Roland John Wiley. Hopefully as time allows I can make some revisions to this article using these sources. Mrlopez2681 (talk) 21:27, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Merge with Trepak

Please discuss @ Talk:Trepak#Merge with The Nutcracker. -- Jack of Oz ^{[pleasantries]} 18:54, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

The name of the original ballet's heroine is Clara

Just a general note to ask certain editors to please desist from replacing Clara (the name specified by Marius Petipa's synopsis for the original ballet) with Marie (name of the Hoffmann heroine and used by Balanchine); the different names are clearly explained in the text as it is, and there is no good reason to over-ride this, least of all without any explanation. Alfietucker (talk) 10:39, 3 January 2014 (UTC)

First performance of The Nutcracker outside Russia

In many articles about Tchaikovsky's Nutcracker (including this Wikipedia arcticle) we can find information, that the first complete performance of the ballet outside Russia was staged in England 1934.

However, the truth is that the very first performance of complete ballet The Nutcracker was performed on 17th August 1908 in Prague, Czech Republic (in that time part of Austrian Monarchy). Please, see the pages of the Czech National Theatre Archives: and please correct your article, if possible.

Petr — Preceding unsigned comment added by 37.48.42.53 (talk) 12:05, 28 October 2014 (UTC)

References

Reed flutes

1. 12e says that the Dance of the Reed Flutes is "a.k.a. 'Dance of the Reed Flutes.'" Is it supposed to be listed first as "Dance of the Mirlitons," with the aka added to show the alternative name? 24.61.4.237 (talk) 17:21, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

I wish for more media

Yes, the Sugar Plum Fairy sure is famous, but I would also like other pieces of music such as the parts with "March", "Russian Dance", "Arabian Dance", "Chinese Dance" and "Reed Flutes". It would be nice to be able to listen directly at the different parts of the music without having to go to another website. I just hope I could record an original recording of some of the Nutcracker Suite. I might not. Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 05:22, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Add each piece of media from the Danses Characteristics and the other parts I, II, and III. (Danses Characteristics is part II.) Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 05:24, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

Surname of Clara

Wouldn't Clara Stahlbaum be her full name if her father is named Dr. Stahlbaum? Is she given a different last name in any adaptations? The story uses Marie Stahlbaum similarly. Ranze (talk) 19:10, 29 July 2016 (UTC)

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ETA Hoffmann adapted by Alexandre Dumas

Dumas, The Nutcracker of Nuremberg (R.M. McBride, 1930), OCLC 1833187, with list of Contents:

• The story of the nutcracker or[sic] Nuremberg
• The story of the nut Krakatuk and the Princess Pirlipate
• The story of Marie and the king of the toys

What is the relation of this collection or omnibus to the crucial adaptation by Dumas? Perhaps part one, "The story of the nutcracker of Nuremberg", is the Dumas adaptation from which the ballet was in turn adapted? --P64 (talk) 22:49, 7 July 2017 (UTC)

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Racism

I would have to find it again, but I saw at least one article calling some of the dances racist. How should we include that information? It might be a big concern in this day and age.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 18:37, 27 January 2020 (UTC)

I guess you might have seen some discussion about the danse chinoise and other numbers at the beginning of act 2 and allegations of yellowface. I think it's just virtue signalling by professional offence-seekers, but it's being discussed in reputable sources and consequently there's no reason not to cover it in this article. Or maybe it should not be covered yet on account of WP:RECENTISM and WP:NOTNEWS. I also note that the article on yellowface doesn't mention this ballet. I suggest that any ideas to introduce this subject into this article should be proposed on this talk page for wider input. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:08, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

I will have to search again but I think the complaints are several years old. I was actually looking for proof that what one web site refers to as "Coffee" and "Tea" are actually songs which can be called "Coffee" and "Tea", and that came up. So far, the article only seems to use those titles to refer to possible names of characters, and not necessarily the songs, but I have named them on the respective disambiguation pages.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 17:14, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

https://newrepublic.com/article/120640/nutcracker-racist-chinese-tea-arabian-coffee (2014), https://www.dancemagazine.com/burning_question_is_nutcracker_racist-2306921922.html (2013), https://www.dancemagazine.com/chinese-nutcracker-2641019670.html (2019), https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-fisher-nutcracker-chinese-dance-revisionism-20181211-story.html (2018), https://medium.com/the-establishment/how-to-look-like-a-non-racist-production-of-the-nutcracker-40194af68243 (2017 and I seem to be blocked), https://www.marketwatch.com/story/10-things-the-nutcracker-wont-tell-you-1353946803715 (2012). I haven't looked at these in detail, but that's just a list.— Vchimpanzee • talk • contributions • 19:01, 29 January 2020 (UTC)

I essentially agree with Michael Bednarek's assessment of this section (Accusations of racism/Ethnic stereotypes), particularly his objection of "recentism", but I believe he assigns to much weight to "reputable sources". As it now is, the section looks like a chaotic discussion (platform) rather than being part of a serious and balanced article. Moreover, most readers wishing to be informed about The Nutcracker are unlikely to be looking for extremely boring discussions concerning ethnic stereotypes in some of the ballet's dances. Is it Wikipedia's aim to insert this sort of anachronistic and judgmental discussions everywhere, not only in The Nutcracker and The Mikado, but also in Madame Butterfly and the many other candidates for purgation? There will be no end to this. Therefore, I suggest removal of this section and, perhaps, the creation of a separate article "Ethnic stereotyping in traditional ballet, opera, and theatre".2A02:A452:9491:1:212F:FF3C:D41D:73E1 (talk) 13:00, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Formatting screw-up in the Popular Media category

I went to add a point to the list, but someone appears to have messed up the formatting of it, causing the last several points (which, for some reason, contain nothing but cite links) to get dumped into the end of the citations list as unnumbered bullet points. Attempting to add a new point, even above them, just sent it down into the citations list as well. Maybe there's a missing end bracket somewhere? I only barely understand how cite tags work, so can someone else fix it please? Octan (talk) 02:52, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

I've attempted a fix. Imo, the "In popular culture" section is in need of a massive overhaul. Right now, it is an unusable dump of mostly trivia. intforce (talk) 18:01, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

video

this could be used

Victor Grigas (talk) 19:10, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

No dancing in a ballet? =

From Saint Petersburg premiere in the History section:

"many bemoaned the fact that the ballerina did not dance until the Grand Pas de Deux near the end of the second act"

Really? I've seen the Nutcracker multiple times, and there have always been any number of ballerinas -- and danseurs -- dancing, throughout. What were the ballerinas doing during the premier? Playing canasta behind the scenery and missing their cues? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.95.43.253 (talk) 18:34, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Date of première?

The section Premiere ought to include the date of the premiere in 1892.

I hope someone knowledgeable on this subject can add this information to the article.