Talk:Tangerine

Comment

"It is commonly agreed that Tangerines are not as good as Clementines. They are considered to be flabby, and simply not worth the effort."

Is this meant to be a joke? It seems to be editorialising.

Shouldn't this article be merged with the article for Clementine? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.30.91.246 (talk) 19:04, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone comment on the relation to Tangiers? Is that where the name came from? DT (talk) 17:00, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes. The name does come from the place name Tangier. I've added a paragraph describing this based on the entry in the Oxford English Dictionary, which I would think would be authoritative enough.Poihths (talk) 15:04, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

Mandarin oranges

Why is there both a mandarin orange article and a tangerine article, when both articles acknowledge that they're talking about C. reticulata? One should be merged. --76.223.219.98 03:35, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree with the anon.--Lenticel ^(talk) 23:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Disagree. Two different breeds of the same species. You may as well merge "doberman" with "shi-tzu." Fishamaphone (talk) 10:37, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

I disagree with fish. Without getting too technical, everyone sees a tangerine as a mandarin. I think that the tangerine should merge with manderine as a different section. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Destroyer000 (talk • contribs) 07:12, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Change mandarin orange to mandrin family if you move tangerine. 143.239.89.201 (talk) 19:35, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

00:48, 22 December 2007 (UTC)203.92.154.37 (talk)

I have been a horticulturist and arborist for almost 30 years, and I have never heard used Citrus x tangerina. http://mountainmandarins.com/documents/10Oct2005-MMGA.pdf explains that tangerines are C. reticulata, which is what I learned in university. Someone needs to take the time to rewrite the Citrus group of articles, and put the truth of the references into the article text, and not have a bunch of made-up nonsense without proof. pechaney (talk) 00:25, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

I will admit to having no expert knowledge (and little if any knowledge beyond what could be considered common knowledge) on this topic, but I do agree with pechaney on this. I started looking a bit into a few other articles in the area of the mandarin family, and I noticed in multiple cases that I could find a lot of the information for articles such as the tangerine or clementine in a higher level page. Another one that doesn't directly entail this article are the articles Satsuma (fruit) and Mandarin orange. What this set of articles truly needs is an organizational overhaul (and likely the use of several namespaces as well, but that's beside the point). impinball (talk) 18:00, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Nutritional Information

Can someone add the nutritional Composition of tangerines, I am just revising a project and would like to know if there are any maor differences between tangerines and oranges. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.209.147.11 (talk) 00:49, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Food composition of tangerine, fresh, 1 each, without peel and seeds (84g): Water: 88% Calorie: 37kcal Protein: 1g Carbohydrate: 9g Fiber: 2g Fat: <1g Cholesterol: - Calcium:12mg Iron: 0.08mg Magnesium:10mg Potassium: 132mg Sodium: 1mg Zinc: 0.2mg Vitamin A: 77RE Vitamin B1: 0.09mg Vitamin B2: 0.02mg Vitamin B3: 0.13mg Vitamin B6: 0.06mg Folate: 17μg Vitamin C: 26mg Vitamin E: 0.2α-TE

Merger with Mandarin Orange

I think it would be more appropriate to merge mandarin orange into tangarine, as that is the more common name. My understanding is that the Clementine is also a variety of tangerine. --Zeamays (talk) 02:13, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Not merge: Users may well seek information on tangerines, or on two of its cultivars specifically: mandarin or clementine. The terms are common enough (& the entities distinct enough) that I think they should remain separate articles & not be merged. 69.140.161.90 (talk) 14:09, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Not merge: It's not wrong to merge clementines into tangerines into mandarin oranges, and maybe even merge them all with satsumas/mikans. But the fact is, there are four distinct varietals here: mandarin oranges, tangerines, clementines, and satsumas. Combining them would be like combining all types of Canis lupus familiaris (dogs). AyaK (talk) 21:41, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Not Merge, but reorganize: Perhaps a template of tangerines should be created to list all these varieties. Merging these two will mean that others need to be merged and it may look messy. Current format is fine they just need an over-arching listing. Ssh83 (talk) 19:23, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

They of course cannot be merged. Tangerine and mandarin orange are two different fruits commonly found in my country, Malaysia, especially during the Chinese New Year. Tangerine, which is about the size of or slightly smaller than an orange, is often imported from China, eaten fresh and given as gift during Chinese New Year; whereas, mandarin orange, which is about the size of a small lime, is more commonly planted for Chinese New Year decoration as a symbol of good luck than being eaten.(Pei Yee)

They should not be merged since both are different entities. Although they look alike and have the same contents but still they are different species as described above. We already see some links in the related links section and that should solve the purpose. That's what i think. ( User: Sachin G ) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.47.208.34 (talk) 18:52, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

I can't believe this. "tangerine" and "mandarin orange" are two terms for the exact same fruit. Clementines, satsumas and fairchilds are three varieties of this fruit. Many more exist. I think the above users have gotten confused because they may live in a place where only one or two varieties are available, and simply marketed as "tangerine" or "mandarin" or whatever. (In the U.S., stores like Whole Foods will routinely stock 3 or 4 different tangerine varieties during the winter months, sometimes many more.) Benwing (talk) 03:06, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

According to http://www.treatt.com/Documents/Technical/treatt0207.pdf and http://www.thefruitpages.com/oranges.shtml tangerines are a type of mandarin, but there are other sites which will tell you that they are the same thing and maybe some sites that will say mandarins are a type of tangerine. Given the debate, it is probably best to keep them unmerged, but note the debate within the articles. If they are the same thing, the term mandarin would appear to have historical primacy.Ma1cius (talk) 14:46, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

Citrus reticulata encompasses the following cultivars: Clementine, Cleopatra, Dancy, Ponkan, Changsha, Fairchild, and various cultivars of mikan (Citrus reticulata var. unshiu, also known as satsuma, naartjie, etc.) such as the "Owari" and "Seto" varieties, iyokan (Citrus reticulata var. unshiu var. iyo), and natsumikan (Citrus reticulata var. unshiu var. natsu). It seems to me since all of these cultivars are the same species, Citrus reticulata, that all of the articles involving them should be incorporated into one article, if that article is clear about what the specific differences between them are. (For example, the natsumikan has a different growing season than the standard unshiu mikan; mikans have a higher tolerance to cold than other reticulata cultivars: the Clementine is generally smaller in size than a Dancy; and Cleopatra is often used as a root start for grafting and other cultivation techniques rather than as a fruit bearing tree). That said, looking at the similar case of apple cultivars (see Jonagold or Idared, or any other crossbred cultivars of apples), I wonder if it is the wisest course to incorporate the different reticulata cultivars together as variations in reticulata cultivars are not dissimilar to variations in cultivars of Malus domestica (apples). Some good resources for information on Citrus reticulata are:

• University of Florida, IFAS Extension - http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/CH116

• Practically Edible: Mandarin Oranges - http://www.practicallyedible.com/edible.nsf/encyclopaedia!openframeset

• Mandarin Orange – Julia Morton, Fruits of warm climates - http://www.hort.purdue.edu/newcrop/morton/mandarin_orange.html

• USDA's GRIN Taxonomy – http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?10778

• Chromosomal relationships among cultivars of Citrus reticulata Blanco, its hybrids and related species. Cornélio, M. T. M. N., Figueirôa, A. R. S., Santos, K. G. B., Carvalho, R., Soares Filho, W. S., Guerra, M. Plant Systematics and Evolution, 2003 (Vol. 240) (No. 1/4) 149-161

• Citrus Varieties of the World - Second Edition, 2000, Hardcover, 160 pp, color, by James Saunt. – I have this book; its very informational about cultivar taxonomy, growth, and uses.

• http://www.actahort.org/books/634/634_19.htm Luminece (talk) 16:29, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, no.... I don't think that tangerines are the same as mandarin oranges, and, if they are, they aren't. Are they? –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 18:10, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Comment It's just like saying that Okinawa and Japan are the same things. It's also like saying that a square is a rectangle. –The Obento Musubi (Contributions) 19:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

What I was trying to say is that if people want to merge mandarins and tangerines, even though the two terms refer to different varieties of the species Citrus reticulata, that they should put in all the information about as many cultivars of the species as possible in the same article. Otherwise, they should leave the articles apart as they are now. Luminece (talk) 22:15, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Are you seriously comparing apples and oranges?  :) --Fastolfe00 (talk) 00:31, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, because they both are Citrus Reticulata. If not merge, at least change the names so we can tell them apart. Stop comparing it to dogs, they are not only the same family, they are the same species.Xicoav (talk) 23:29, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Removed old merge tag from Mandarin Orange - no support for merging. -- P 1 9 9 • TALK 20:55, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Less sour?

It says that tangerines are less sour than oranges. That can't be right, because I've had plenty of tangerines and they were all much more tart than an orange. Pittsfordljb (talk) 15:47, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

I checked the source cited there, and it seems more like advertising to me anyways. Also, the article uses it as if it were reliable without any uncertainty about it. I would agree with you on that, but there needs to be a reliable source or two to back either one up. Is there a better quality source for the claim in the article or the opposite one stated above? impinball (talk) 18:08, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Maybe the taste is subjective, they seem less sour than an orange to me, but more bitter. Like a mandarin with a touch of grapefruit. Swampy 2001:8003:2147:B200:742C:43E1:23D4:E8AB (talk) 17:04, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

Uganda and Djibouti?

Are there any references to the 3000 year history of tangerine cultivation in Uganda or Djibouti? To me that claim doesn't make sense. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.149.225.5 (talk) 23:23, 1 August 2010 (UTC)

Peak season

The article presently reads "Peak tangerine season is short, lasting from October to April in the Northern Hemisphere." It is absurd to talk about a seven-month-long seasas as "short." I'm taking the liberty of going ahead and changing this by elminating "short," from the sentence.Poihths (talk) 14:54, 15 October 2011 (UTC)

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tangerines and mandarin oranges

I don't know about the claim in the intro that tangerines are considered mandarins but the genetics aren't thoroughly studied. The article says the binomial name is citrus tangerina, and the paper on PLOS doesn't mention tangerina, only reticula, which appears in the other two sources used to back that statement up. Some more input is required here I think. I've marked it as dubious for the time being. Thoughts? IvoShandor (talk) 02:48, 18 September 2015 (UTC)

Origin of the name

In the "Origin of the name" section it states: "In Australia the fruit is known as a Mandarin."

I live in Australia and have always know Mandarins & Tangerines as two different fruits, Mandarins being generally smaller, flatter with very loose skin and Tangerines generally being larger, rounder and with looser skin than an orange but not as loose as a mandarin. In supermarkets and fruit shops in Australia Tangerines are also labelled as "Tangerines" not "Mandarins".

If a citation cannot be applied to the sentence "In Australia the fruit is known as a Mandarin." can it be removed? It's certainly not true in my experience. Swampy 2001:8003:2147:B200:742C:43E1:23D4:E8AB (talk) 16:57, 30 June 2016 (UTC)

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Response to merge

It's stupid to merge this article.Catfurball (talk) 19:38, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Portuguese link is missing

Portuguese link is missing

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tangerina

Don’t know how to add. Thank you for doing for me 2804:14D:4CA5:8B97:FCD5:2EE:CE15:9F08 (talk) 03:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

These links are at Wikidata now. pt:Tangerina is linked to the same Wikidata item as en:Mandarin orange, perhaps because the Portuguese article gives "mandarina" as an alternative name for "tangerina". Unfortunately, this is yet another example of the problems caused by Wikidata only allowing 1:1 links. There are three possible Wikidata items: mandarin orange (Q125337), tangerine (Q516494) and mandarin orange (Q190024). If Portuguese does not distinguish between "tangerina" and "mandarina", mandarin orange (Q125337) (used at present) is probably the best link. But whatever is done, it won't reflect the fact that different language wikipedias have different numbers of articles about these three, and that in reality 1:1 links are just plain wrong. Peter coxhead (talk) 10:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)

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