Talk:Strauss–Howe generational theory

WW3?

Why is WW3 under 4th Turning for Homeland Generation? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Meco1999 (talk • contribs) 16:09, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

It was a Twitter thing for a while. It's just generic vandalism. No one with any authority has made an actual declaration of WWIII at this time. -- Sleyece (talk) 00:22, 24 March 2020 (UTC)

No as a member of the class of the promless 2020, I believe that the best 4th turning description would be the War on Terror against Radical Sunnis and Shiite Militias. See Al Qaeda and Hezbollah for more information. You may also see the Assassination of Qasem Soleimani for more information. I do believe that Generation Z lasts, based on calculations for only 2002 to 2019 and that Generation Alpha is beginning however this fact is disputed. Personisgaming (talk) 14:31, 10 September 2020 (UTC)

Hello to you commenters back in 2019! From here in mid-2022, the world is gripped by a conflict between one of the biggest nuclear powers (led by a utter lunatic) with a proxy ally to the other biggest nuclear power (led by a neoliberal hawk). This is following four years of the US being led by a wannabe dictator (thankfully incompetent). If we back date the fourth turning to the precipitating event of the 2008 financial crash, then our current situation is 14 years into the crisis turning and predictions about the possibility of WWIII are not, I repeat "not", overblown. 50.46.37.28 (talk) 01:54, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

i hope your being sarcastic. no human would actually want to start ww3. 99.27.106.23 (talk) 22:04, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

Disagree. NATO has demonstrated it knew where the line in the sand was—and they did not care. NATO started this conflict nearly two decades ago. Meanwhile NATO has also repeatedly advised Ukraine to not agree to the same terms of peace the rest of the world sees as reasonable. Three times, btw.

Without going too far down the rabbit hole, there is ample evidence within the State Department archives alone to declare with certainty that not only does someone actively seek to start WW3, but also shed some interesting insights as to who is truly responsible for the conflict in Ukraine. 216.213.8.67 (talk) 11:57, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

People have been predicting WW3 since WW2, it takes no real effort, any crisis will do. The idea that generational archetypes define human history is fanciful at best. From a brief read of the article I would say it is pseudoscience. It can't be tested.--Cuthbert Bargepole (talk) 01:56, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

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Way too many primary sources

Yeah, I checked the references because of the too many primary sources error and found out that at least a quarter of the sources were from Strauss and Howe. Please fix as soon as possible. 49.192.44.178 (talk) 11:31, 29 May 2022 (UTC)

I have done what I can for the references, such as they are, for the moment.

The flat text references have been updated to citation and sfn templates. I think I have found and reduced all duplicates. I have standardized and reordered where it seemed appropriate. The primary references; Strauss & Howe, Howe & Strauss, and all the Lifecourse Associates remain. I am not a content editor by nature. I remain a gnomic reference/citation specialist mainly fixing issues with what is already present.

I leave it to content specialists to improve, excise, replace, and make useful. —¿philoserf? (talk) 19:10, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

There is no fault in citing previous studies, regardless of who led the research. The fact two professionals as established as Strauss and Howe have extensive backgrounds on a relatively new subject matter is not a red flag.

If one were to look up much of the modern research published on Evolutionary Psychology, Dr. Robert Sapolsky would be a widespread source, and naturally so, as he is credited with some of the key advancements in this field. This means he often cites his previous works, and why shouldn't he? He is, after all, a trailblazer.

The man is one of the only humans in recorded history to have discovered any species capable of producing an autonomous and self-regulating society wherein zero hierarchy existed. Essentially, what he discovered was the only recorded successful and sustaining anarcho-society. Whom else would he be able to cite most readily?

While I would agree this could be a problem were either demonstrating the same “predetermined outcome” sponsored ideology advertising outcomes as most modern research—-that would be a red flag. However, that is not what we see. Instead, we see well-established researches who still use ~75% citations of previous works, including contradictory theories, and still making it a point to highlight *and* demonstrate the flaws innate with using this theory as an absolute-model.

I would love to find just one modern research paper that even attempted to achieve this standard of objectivity. Instead we have the same issues called out here, sans any admission of irregularities. Often with completely contrived or manipulated datum and images in order to meet the demands what has effectively become sponsorship agreements. Strauss and Howe are not today’s “Research”-for-hire shills, and their thoroughness is self-evident.

Personally I think Strauss and Howe are definitely on to something but it is built on a flawed premise of defining generations when the realities are considerably more nuanced and therefore generations are considerably smaller than approximately 20-25 years. Although, being transparent with the challenges in my hypothesis, Dr. Sapolsky’s baboon society only lasted approximately two generations—-which fits the Father-Son theory as well as Strauss’s and Howe’s theory.

The citations are acceptable and I would challenge any naysayer to produce a better example of pioneering researchers citing previous works and demonstrating the flaws and inconsistencies within their theories and outcomes. I personally believe the theory is too reductive, but the research is solid and, as we see for ourselves, the timing is pretty close, so it is reasonably applicable for most practical applications. It ain't right but it is far from wrong.

The data is good, the research topic was groundbreaking and the availability of previous works to cite is subsequently equally as unique as the theory itself. What more are we looking for here? 216.213.8.67 (talk) 12:56, 17 October 2023 (UTC)

Deletion Request

This page appears to be entirely aimed at promoting research by Strauss & Howe, presumably to promote both their heavily cited books on this "topic", and their heavily mentioned Lifecourse Associates publishing/speaking/consulting company. This theory does not appear to be sufficiently independently notable outside of work by Strauss & Howe to justify a page. Adsbhiasi331 (talk) 18:13, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

WP:BEFORE - A quick google search shows there is coverage of the topic. E.g., [1], [2] EvergreenFir (talk) 18:17, 7 March 2024 (UTC)

Disagree with deletion. However the plain fact that what this article describes is useless pseudoscience written by and for MBA marketeers who haven't seriously thought about history since high school ought to be mentioned in the header instead of being buried down in the criticism section. Andro124 (talk) 02:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC)