Talk:Stiffelio

How many scenes in Act III?

An anonymous user (81.62.46.194) deleted Scene 2: Stiffelio's house from Act III, giving Budden as the source for the change. The new edition of Stiffelio was not available until 1993, while Budden was published 1978-81 OCLC 3380348. I question that Budden can be used to make this change, although I do not have a recent reference and do not know what the orignal scene division was based on. I am going to revert the change until someone can provide a credible source for it. --Robert.Allen (talk) 00:48, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, having just seen the Met's production (both on video from 1993 and in the house last week) and now, with the programme in front of me, there are only two scenes - at least, as played in the Met's production.

In fact, in my copy of Budden - page 472, Cassell 1984 - the heading for Scene 2 is clearly right there in the middle of the page. There is no Scene 3.

However, I misread Robert.Allen's comments and so went back to my only recording - the Met DVD - where there is no break down of acts by scenes, just numbers. So, at the end of Stankar's cabaletta, there is a kind of scene ending. He leaves the room and the opera could stop, I suppose, and scenery changed ready for the next scene with Stiffelio and Lina. So, who's right? Is this a production question? I've lent out my Covent Garden "Stiffelio" DVD (with Carreras), so can't refer to that to see how they did it. Viva-Verdi (talk) 01:23, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

• Hi Viva-Verdi, I noticed the division of Act III into three scenes occurred with this edit, which apparently you did. So perhaps you have some info somewhere in your library which supports that extra scene being there. --Robert.Allen (talk) 02:53, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Hmm..interesting.... Now I think about it, I may have used a recording's libretto to base this on, so shall have to get my Carerras DVD back, because I think that I may have been the one to fully expand or even write the synopsis.

In looking again at Budden, I see (on page 470) that he notes that after Stankar's cabeletta ends and "no sooner has Stankar left than Stiffelio enters with Jorg". So, to me, the suggestion is that this is all one act, no scene change needs to take place, and the action continues with Stiffelio and Lina. Viva-Verdi (talk) 04:59, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

I looked at the Carreras DVD from London. Again, it plays as one scene, from end of Stankar's cabeletta to the arrival of Stiffelio. Interestingly, in the Gardelli Aroldo's CD booklet, the indication is that it all plays out at Stankar's castle/residence. I did forget to check the DVD of Aroldo; that may be the source of the issue, although in the Aroldo CD, the acts are shown as 4 with the church finale being #4. Viva-Verdi (talk) 00:26, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm unsure about what we should do. Should we reinstate the edit making the last act two scenes, or leave it as it is until we find more definitive evidence? Seems like something must have convinced you at the time you originally wrote the synopsis that Act III was in three. --Robert.Allen (talk) 09:23, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Well, I've looked at every source I seem to have at hand, including now, the DVD of Aroldo, and the entire Act 3 plays out in what appears to be Egberto's (Stankar in Stiffelio) rooms..... No scene breaks; just a straight flow of the drama. So, my conclusion is that we ought to change this to one scene, per Budden, the original poster, et al... Viva-Verdi (talk) 00:04, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

I checked a copy of the U of Chicago vocal score (2003). The first scene of act III (No. 8 Scena ed Aria Stankar) is decribed as follows: "Anticamera che mette a' varii appartamenti. Sopra una tavola, due pistole e l'occorente per iscrivere." After Stankar's aria "Oh gioia inesprimibile" he exits, and after the orchestral cadence the beginning of No. 9 (Scena e Duetto) has the stage direction "Stiffelio e Jorg dalla camera". So it does seem to be one scene for those two numbers. No. 10 (Preghiera e Finale Ultimo) is described as follows: "La scena rappresenta l'interno d'un tempio gotico...." My understanding of Italian is minimal, but this all seems to be in agreement with your conclusion. --Robert.Allen (talk) 11:05, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it's clear that #10 begins a new scene, so I'll make the change. Viva-Verdi (talk) 19:56, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

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