Talk:Squeeze play (baseball)
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At the end of the article. Heh. Shouldn't a bunt down the third base line be a homicidal squeeze? I mean, it's not the runner who is causing his own death, but the other guy, the batter, causing the runner to get out.
The term "homicidal squeeze" is being used by Chicago Cubs broadcaster Len Kasper after witnessing a play during the Cubs July 6, 2011 game against the Washington Nationals. Apparently, a safety squeeze was called for but the batter missed the sign and swung away, putting the runner sprinting from third base in danger of being hit by the ball or the bat. (See Kasper's account.) While not an element of baseball strategy, the recognition of this phrase and its explanation could give readers a better understanding of the strategy/risks of a safety squeeze while providing a small amount of admittedly macabre humor. If there are no objections, given the nature of the play and the available attribution to Kasper I think it should be added to the article. Downclimb (talk) 18:33, 7 July 2011 (UTC)
Randy Charles Morin  Randymorin: This is incorrect. A suicide squeeze is when a squeeze play is executed with the bases loaded. That is, the player is dead at home, he cannot go back to 3rd base. This is another example of Wikipedia morons redefining the world. I've seen this article quoted incorrectly in several places on the Internet.
Note: Randy planted this here deliberatly to drive traffic to his RSS Blog
- I took out the video because it is not a suicide squeeze. It is an over-zealous base runner and a pitcher who is not paying attention. The base runner makes it all the way to the plate before the pitch ever reaches the batter. There is no reason to bunt, because the runner has already made it home. 184.108.40.206 17:09, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Anyone want to tell me what the hell the 2004 NLCS section is doing in there? Should we put a section for every suicide squeeze ever performed? Give me a break. I'm getting rid of it (not like it matters...a Wikipedia fan-boy/slave will probably put it back up). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.127.116.11 (talk) 01:09, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
- Took about 2 minutes actually. I'm at least deleting the end part of the section. The outcome of the series (and entire postseason for crying out loud) is unnecessary and adds nothing to the definition of a squeeze play. Even Wikipedia can't get around that logic....or can they?
Tonight, October 6, 2008 all 3 announcers calling the Red Sox/Angels game called the Angels failed bunt attempt in the 9th inning with one man on third as a "suicide squeeze" play as the runner on third is certainly committing suicide (is virtually always out) if the bunter misses the ball. I don't know who Randy Moron is, but I will take Joe Morgan's word before his anytime. Moondog56 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Moondog56 (talk • contribs) 04:14, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
- It was again confirmed in Game Two of the World Series in the bottom of the 4th inning with runners on first and third and one out. The first time Floyd committed to running home BEFORE Bartlett made contact. The ball was fouled off. The second time Floyd waited until Bartlett made contact before he started running. The bunt was successful, and Floyd then ran home and scored. Tim McCarver then went into great detail discussing how the first one was a SUICIDE squeeze, while the second one was not a SUICIDE squeeze. Kingturtle (talk) 04:23, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
Should there be any mention in this article about the case where if a runner on third starts to run before the pitcher throws the ball (suicide squeeze), and in fact the pitcher never does throw the ball, the runner can cross home plate and in fact steal home? I have seen players actually successfully steal home in a game, and I've heard it occasionally happens when they think the suicide squeeze is on but jump off too early, but are fast enough and the pitcher is surprised enough that they make it home safely. 18.104.22.168 (talk) 03:58, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
What is a "suicide bunt"Edit
The article says a squeeze is a "suicide bunt," rather than just a "sacrifice bunt." I haven't seen any place else use the term "suicide bunt" to mean anything other than a "suicide squeeze bunt."
The MLB app called a 2-out bunt with a runner on third base a "squeeze," but I think that was a misnomer.
Squeeze Play or Bunt?Edit
Should this article be renamed Squeeze Bunt or should it be kept the same? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buffbills7701 (talk • contribs) 12:22, 12 May 2013 (UTC)
Why does anyone need to know that the two people who invented the squeeze play "later went on to found the white-shoe law firm White & Case"? Also, the first reference seems similarly unnecessary.
22.214.171.124 (talk) 20:05, 20 August 2013 (UTC)
You're right...it only seems unnecessary... 126.96.36.199 (talk) 14:16, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
Baseball assessment commentEdit
The comment(s) below were originally left at Talk:Squeeze play (baseball)/CommentsBB, and are posted here for posterity. Following several discussions in past years, these subpages are now deprecated. The comments may be irrelevant or outdated; if so, please feel free to remove this section.
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|Please be advised that the definitions of the terms "suicide squeeze" and "safety squeeze" are correct as they appear in the article.
Following are two references:
QC baseball is an instructional website operated by a teacher who is a former college baseball player and has over ten years experience coaching youth baseball. The page referenced above is intended as an instructional aid on executing the squeeze play, but the included definitions of the safety squeeze and suicide squeeze agree with those in the article.
The discussion on the above page was written in october 1998 by Tom Tippett, the President and founder of Diamond Mind Baseball, and references the same definition of the two terms "suicide squeeze" and "safety squeeze" used in the Wikipedia article.
This page contains yet another discussion of the squeeze play in which the same definitions are given. To sum up, there are two variations of the squeeze play. It is a "suicide squeeze" if the runner on third is going on the pitch, it is a "safety squeeze" if the runner on third waits until the batter makes contact, and the difference between the two has nothing to do with whether or not there are runners on second and/or third base when the play occurs.188.8.131.52 05:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Last edited at 05:49, 13 April 2007 (UTC). Substituted at 14:24, 10 October 2016 (UTC)
Requested move 28 April 2022Edit
- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Not moved. (non-admin closure) Adumbrativus (talk) 03:01, 5 May 2022 (UTC)
Squeeze play (baseball) → Squeeze play (baseball and softball) – Squeeze plays exist identically in baseball and softball. Unless we're considering softball a variety of baseball (which we very well could), the parenthetical should include the two separate sports in which this concept exists. Dennis C. Abrams (talk) 01:43, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose. This seems unnecessary to me. Softball is essentially a type of baseball. Rreagan007 (talk) 05:28, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, unneeded and overly-titled. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:38, 28 April 2022 (UTC)
- Oppose, per the opposes above. BD2412 T 19:59, 1 May 2022 (UTC)