Talk:Soko G-4 Super Galeb

F-16 claims

I keep removing from the article the claim that USAF F-16s shot down 4 Super Galebs in Bosnia, and others keep reinserting it. Planes that were shot down include J-21 Jastrebs and G-2 Galebs, but NOT the G-4 Super Galeb. Many news articles falsely claim that they were Super Galebs, because news reporters are not aviation experts. You can't believe everything you read. :) Edrigu 20:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Hi. It's OK that the jets may not have been G-4 after all, but this leads two a couple of questions:

• Do you know any reliable source to sustain your claim?

• In the case the downed aircraft were not G-4, what kind of plane they were? (Personally, I guess they should be G-2s departing from Ubdina airport) Any other ideas about?

Thanks.

DEM 12:55, 11 November 2006 (EST)

The downed aircraft were J-21 Jastrebs. Here is a detailed account: [1] Edrigu 20:05, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

OK. Originally 8 aircraft (6 Jastrebs, two Oraos), four Jastrebs down. This guys in the Pentagon never know what they shot at :). Thank You!.

DEM 18:45, 11 November 2006 (EST)

Even this Croatian link (in Spanish), confirms they were Jastrebs.

DEM 18:52, 11 November 2006 (EST)

Transcription of the dead Croatian link (In Spanish):

En una conferencia de prensa telefónica con con corresponsales acreditados ante el Pentágono, los pilotos han confirmado que el enfrentamiento fue muy poco peligroso para los F 16, netamente superiores a los Jastreb.

"No fue un gran combate", dijo "Yogi", nombre en código del piloto que derribó el primer Jastreb. "No se dieron cuenta de que los seguíamos de cerca hasta que no se encabritaron para atacar", explica el piloto. Según la reconstrucción realizada por el almirante Boorda, los F 16 siguieron a los Jastreb durante varios minutos, y sólo cuando éstos bombardearon el pueblo de Bugojno y la fábrica de Novi Travnik empezó el combate.

"Entonces los enmarcamos en el radar y de hecho no tuvimos que hacer nada más que abatirlos", añadió "Yogi". Cuando un periodista preguntó si había sido un blanco demasiado fácil, el piloto respondió que lo mismo se podía decir de los que habían sido bombardeados".

El primer Jastreb fue alcanzado a 1500 metros de altura por un misil aire-aire Amraam, el más moderno de la USAF. Los otros tres, que para escapar al ataque de los F 16 habían descendido hasta pocos metros por encima de las copas de los árboles, fueron derribados por tres "sidewinder" lanzados por un solo caza norteamericano.

"Se convirtieron en bolas de fuego, los pilotos no pudieron saltar", dijo uno de los pilotos. Uno, sin embargo, se salvó accionando el dispositivo de expulsión, según un diario de Belgrado.

Otro periodista preguntó si en realidad habían sido una amenaza para los cazas americanos. La respuesta del piloto es que no lo fueron, gracias a que la USAF gasta el dinero del contribuyente americano en adiestrar a sus pilotos muy bien.

Según ABC de Madrid, 3/3/94

DagosNavy 03:41 Jan 19 2006 (UTC)

I did not want to link this on the article, as I'm not sure about the copyright status, but it seemed worth mentioning here: http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=42479 ; it's a reprint (scans) of an article from Aerosvet magazine with the title: "Trainers / Could Yugoslavia Win JPATS?". Hope this is of use to someone... 75.214.202.6 (really User:JesseW/not logged in) 07:33, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Montenegro

The 17 Super Galebs left in Montenegro are not flown by the Montenegrin airforce. Therefore Montenegro should not be listed as an operator, because they do not operate them. Edrigu 23:05, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

• One my friend from Montenegro told me that he has saw two Super Galebs in on sky, and they were wearing old "pepsi" roundels. He sad me also that they are used by one aeroclub. There in Montenegro are 17 G-4 but only 5 are in fly condition. Serbian Air Froce want to get them back, but Montenegro wants from Serbia to get something for G-4s. Kos93 —Preceding comment was added at 16:07, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

New edits

I'm starting a rewrite of the article, it lacks citations for most of its statements and I will be using them to support what I write. Please let me know about what info you are not happy with and we'll be able to sort it out.Brutaldeluxe (talk) 22:30, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

Libian war

A 'galeb' was shot down by allied forces above Libya. Ref.: http://abcnews.go.com/International/war-libya-moammar-gadhafi-warplane-misrata-shot-french/story?id=13210685 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.208.129.55 (talk) 15:26, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

libya only has G-2 Galebs, not G-4. edit that page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aklaft (talk • contribs) 17:22, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

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