Talk:Silver lining (idiom)

Requested move 28 November 2019

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 09:54, 6 December 2019 (UTC)

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Silver lining (idiom) → Silver lining – Per WP:DIFFCAPS / the only usage of this term that is lowercase. _{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 16:10, 28 November 2019 (UTC)

• Oppose - unlike the situations for when the only usage has a specific capitalization and editors argue that a reader writing that specific way can only mean they are searching for that title, the same cannot be said for all lowercase. That's just how people search. This helps no one other than you for some reason (and it's a bit annoying that I'll need to copy/paste my same argument to all nominations now). --Gonnym (talk) 23:45, 28 November 2019 (UTC)
• Oppose per Gonnym and because the concept of a silver lining isn't an encyclopedic topic, and the phrase as such (which might not be either, really, per WP:NOTDICT) is unlikely to be the primary topic, compared with the frequency with which it's a pop culture reference, though I'm hard-pressed to try to single one out as a primary topic.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  17:18, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
• Support it gets 4,033 views compared with 347 for the other uses of Silver Lining [[1]] so even if we ignore DIFFCAPS it still gets nearly 10x the views of the others so its clearly primary. Crouch, Swale (talk) 14:32, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

  @SMcCandlish and Gonnym: do the page views convince you? Even if we assume everyone used lower case this would still be primary. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:31, 4 December 2019 (UTC)

  No, for the same reason explained at Talk:Line in the sand (phrase)#Requested move 28 November 2019. It's skew caused by Google only linking to one page here, which artificially funnels readers to it, having no choice but to come to it first and then try to find what they're really after, which is mostly likely a pop-culture work using this phrase in its title. WP isn't a dictionary and people generally do not use it for looking up simple idioms, rather than using some other online source for that. The problem had been compounded by lack of a hatnote (now fixed – Google's spider should eventually pick up on this, since it's the first link in the page; see what the incoming link ratio is in, say, a year). PS: The current page arguably fails WP:NOTDICT and should probably be notably expanded with more encyclopedic material, or soft-redirected to wikt:silver lining.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  21:19, 5 December 2019 (UTC)

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