Should we consider The Long War Journal a WP:RS? edit

Is it an RS or a NN blog site? A recent article in it claimed to have tentatively identified additional former Guantanamo captives on the most recent wanted list.

"The Long War Journal has identified 8 men on the most-wanted list who have the same name as Saudis who were repatriated from Guantánamo. This matching process is not perfect, as some of the men listed have common Muslim and tribal names. Translations of the men's names are not consistent either, as there are multiple ways to translate their Arabic names into English."

It tentatively identified three former captives:

ISN 114 Yousuf Mohammed Mubarak Al Jubairi Al Shahri
ISN 185 Turki Mashouy Zayed Assiri
ISN 187 Murtada Ali Saeed Mukram,

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 23:40, 4 February 2009 (UTC)Reply

So, what are these guys? edit

A Saudi press release named Mohammed Abdel-Rahman al-Rashed and Sultan Radi al-Utaibi as two men from the list killed in a shootout in Yemen. But what name is that on the list? So, what are these guys? Geo Swan (talk) 01:30, 19 January 2010 (UTC)Reply

  • "Ministry: 3 Saudi militants killed in blast abroad". Washington Post. 2010-01-18. Archived from the original on 2010-01-18.
  • "Blast kills 3 terrorists". Arab News. 2010-01-18. Archived from the original on 2010-01-18.

rough work edit

According to Intelwire[1]:

rank name notes
1 Saleh Abdullah Saleh Qaraawi
2 Abdullah Asiri
3 Salah Suleiman Hamad
4 Fahed Samir Alqaiqai Ruwaili [???]
5 Mustafa Abdul Elah Mohamed Jubairi
6 Naif Mohammad Said al-Qahtani Alkodri
7 Ali Abdul Aziz Ali (Saudi most wanted number 7)
8 Ibrahim Hassan Asiri
9 Ibrahim Mohammed Salman Rabic
10 Ahmed Abdullah Saleh Al-Zahrani Alkhozmri
11 Badr Saud Owaid Awfi Jihad
12 Mcaoui Zayed Al Asiri
13 Ali Jabir Jubran Alfifi
14 Hassan loss Bdah Al-Qahtani Saad
15 Hassan Ibrahim Hamad Alcavan
16 Hussein Mohamed Abdou
17 Khalid Ibrahim Ahmed Hyacinth Alasiri
18 Ryan Hamidi Mohammad Zaidi
19 Khaled Saleh Ali Al Zrabh Acommti
20 Hamad Hussein Nasser Hussein
21 Ahmed Saleh Ali Alchihp
22 Abdul Rahman Abdullah Mohamed Albhimh Jihad
23 Saleh Naiv Almakhlvi Day
24 Ibrahim Mohammed Abdullah Almzian
25 Saeed Ali Jabir Kthim
26 Tleihan Amuallbi-Mutairi
27 Abdulla Salem Al-Qahtani Dhim Alaliani
28 Radi Smelel Aldllake Sultan Al-Otaibi
29 Abdul Rahman Abdullah
30 Adel Fulayyih Salem al-Jaafari
31 Ahmed Mohamed Ibrahim Tuwaijri
32 Khaled Selim Owaid Luhaybi
33 Bader Nasser Al-Mohammed Kinani
34 Abdulrahman Abdullah Abdulrahman Al-Dosari
35 Abdul-Aziz Abdullah Baheej Albhigi
36 Khaled Al-Otaibi Galab Alrougui
37 Raed Abdullah Salem Al [???]
38 Mohammed Abdul Rahman Sulaiman Al-Rashed
39 Ibrahim Suleiman Hamad
40 Mohammed Saad Saeed Siyam
41 Hamid Fayez Ghneim [???]
42 Mohammad Hilal Al-Otaibi Almqati
43 Ahmed Mohamed Ibrahim Tuwaijri
44 Fahd Saleh Suleiman Aljtili
45 Fawaz Al-Otaibi Humaidi Hajd Alhabrdi
46 Fahad Saad Mohamed Ajlan
47 Faisal Jassim Mohammed Khalidi
48 Fauzan Aouiz Ateeq Zhimi
49 Attia Karim Fahmi Al-Zahrani
50 Abdullah Nasser Sulaiman Riai
51 Mohammed Yusuf Abdallah Altkroni Jamil
52 Yousef Mohammad Mubarak Jubairi
53 Walid Abdullah bin Ibrahim Brgsh [?]
54 Ahmed Ali Atallah Alfarhod
55 Waleed Ali Alasiri
56 Abdullah Muhammad Abdullah Ayed
57 Abdul Karim Abdullah Ibrahim Salloum
58 Abdullah Osman Abdulrahman Aldbeji
59 Mohammed Ateeq Awaed Awfi
60 Abdullah Faraj Mohammed Hammoud Juweir
61 Murtaza Ali Said Mqurm [???]
62 Fahd Mohammed Ali Aldjaitn
63 Mashaal Mohamed Rashid Alcdokhi
64 Majed Abdullah Mohammed Al-Majed
65 Ahmed Ali Barakat Al Zahrani traditional concept
66 Mohamed Ali Mohamed [???]
67 Mohammed Abdullah Hassan Abu Khair
68 Muhammad Qasim Mehdi Reemy
69 Osman Ahmed Osman Amira Al-Ghamdi
70 Adnan Mohammed Ali Ahmed
71 Abdullah Azzam Rizieq Alslake born
72 Othman Bin Sulaiman Dikhil Sweden
73 Abdul Rahman Abdullah Al-Obaid
74 Abdullah Ibrahim Abdulmohsen Sharekh
75 Atiq Faraj Al_husnani
76 Osama Hammoud Grman monthly
77 Obaid Mubarak Obaid Alagafil
78 Naif Mohammad Said al-Qahtani Alkodri
79 Nasser Abdulkarim Abdullah Louhichi
80 Ali Abdul Aziz Ali (Saudi most wanted number 80) [???]
81 [???] Almqati
82 Bdah Mqahs Bdah Qahtani
83 Ahmed Mohamed Kotaim Da'di Alhzli
84 Amir Ali Saud Shanbari
85 Aqeel Aqeel Omeish Aqili-Mutairi
86 Mohammed Thamer [???]
87 Osama Abdullah Ali Dmjan
88 Basil Jerbuai Ali Al-Qahtani [???]

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From the Saudi Embassy, Washington.[2]

  1. Ibrahim Hassan Tali Assiri
  2. Ibrahim Suleiman Hamad Al-Hablain
  3. Ibrahim Salman Mohammed Al-Rubeish
  4. Ibrahim Mohammed Abdullah Al-Mudian
  5. Ahmad Ibrahim Mohmmed Al-Tuweijiri
  6. Ahmad Saleh Ali Al-Shiha
  7. Ahmad Abdullah Saleh Al-Zahrani
  8. Ahmad Ali Barakat Al-Zahrani
  9. Ahmad Ali Atallah Al-Farhood
  10. Ahmad Kuteim Mohammed Al-Huzali
  11. Osama Hamoud Gharman Al-Shihri
  12. Osama Ali Abdullah Damjan
  13. Bassil Ayed Ali Al-Qahtani
  14. Badah Mukhis Badah Al-Kodari Al-Qahtani
  15. Badr Saud Owaid Al-Aufi Al-Harbi
  16. Badr Mohammed Nasser Al-Shahri
  17. Baheej Abdulaziz Abdullah Al-Baheeij
  18. Turki Mashouy Zayed Assiri
  19. Thamir Mohammed Ghiram Al-Omari
  20. Jaber Jabran Ali Al-Fifi
  21. Hassan Ibrahim Hamad Al-Shabaan
  22. Hassan Ayed Badah Al-Saad Al-Qahtani
  23. Hussein Mohammed Abdu
  24. Hamad Hussein Nasser Al-Hussein
  25. Khaled Ibrahim Ahmad Al-Sunbul Al-Assiri
  26. Khaled Saleem Owaid Al-Luhaibi Al-Harbi
  27. Khaled Saleh Ali Al-Samiti
  28. Khaled Ghallab Fari Al-Rouki Al-Otaibi
  29. Rayed Abdullah Salim Al-Zahiri Al-Harbi
  30. Rayyan Mohammed Humeidi Al-Zayedi
  31. Saeed bin Ali Jaber Al-Shahri
  32. Sultan Radi Sumeilil Al-Otaibi
  33. Saleh Suleiman Hamad Al-Hablain
  34. Saleh Abdullah Saleh Al-Qaraawi
  35. Saleh Naif Eid Al-Makhlafi
  36. Tuleihan Mutlaq Tuleihan Al-Muteiri
  37. Adel Fileih Salim Al-Jaffari Al-Anazi
  38. Abdul Ilah Mustafa Mohammed Al-Jubeiri Al-Shahri
  39. Abdul Rahman Abdullah Abdu Rahman Al-Dossari
  40. Abdullah Hassan Tali Assiri
  41. Abdullah Salem Duheim Al-Qahtani
  42. Abdullah Abdul Rahman Abdullah Al-Murshid
  43. Abdullah Abdul Rahman Mohammed Al-Harbi
  44. Abdullah Abdul Karim Ibrahim Al-Salloum
  45. Abdullah Othman Abdul Rahman Al-Dubeikhi
  46. Abdullah Farraj Mohammed Hamoud Al-Juweir
  47. Abdullah Mohammed Abdullah Al-Ayed
  48. Abdullah Nasser Suleiman Al-Rayaei
  49. Abdul Mohsen Abdullah Ibrahim Al-Sharikh
  50. Obaid Abdul Rahman Abdullah Al-Otaibi
  51. Obaid Mubarak Obaid Al-Kufeil
  52. Ateek Faraj Sati Al-Hassanani
  53. Othman Ahmad Othman Al-Omeira Al-Ghamidi
  54. Othman Suleiman Dakheel Al-Suweid
  55. Adnan Mohammed Ali Al-Sayegh
  56. Azzam Abdullah Zureik Al-Maulid Al-Subhi
  57. Oqail Omaish Oqail Al-Mutairi
  58. Ali Saud Omair Al-Shanbari
  59. Ali Abdul Aziz Ali Al-Omar
  60. Fayez Ghuneim Hameed Al-Hijri Al-Harbi
  61. Fahd Rikad Sameer Al-Ruwaili
  62. Fahd Saleh Suleiman Al-Jutaili
  63. Fahd Mohammed Saad Al-Ajlan
  64. Fahd Mohammed Ali Al-Juaithin
  65. Fawaz Al-Humaidi Hajid Al-Habradi Al-Otaibi
  66. Fawaz Owaiz Ateeq Al-Zahimi Al-Salami
  67. Faisal Jassim Mohammed Al-Omari Al-Khaledi
  68. Qassem Mohammed Mahdi Al-Rimi
  69. Majed Mohammed Abdullah Al-Majed
  70. Mohammed Saad Saeed Al-Siam Al-Omari
  71. Mohammed Abdul Rahman Suleiman Al-Rashid
  72. Mohammed Abdullah Hassan Abul-Khair
  73. Mohammed Otaik Owaid Al-Aufi Al-Harbi
  74. Mohammed Ali Mohammed Al-Mutlaq
  75. Mohammed Hilal Thawab Al-Makati Al-Otaibi
  76. Murtada Ali Saeed Mukram
  77. Mishaal Mohammed Rasheed Al-Shadoukhi
  78. Mujab Atiyyah Abdul Karim Al-Zahrani
  79. Mukad Qaed Mukad Al-Mukati
  80. Nasser Abdul Karim Abdullah Al-Wihaishi
  81. Naif Mohammed Saeed Al-Kodari Al-Qahtani
  82. Waleed Abdullah Ibrahim Bin Barghash
  83. Waleed Ali Mishafi Al-Mishafi Assiri
  84. Yousuf Mohammed Jameel Abdullah Al-Takroni
  85. Yousuf Mohammed Mubarak Al-Jubairi Al-Shahri

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References edit

  1. ^ "Saudi Arabia's 85 Most Wanted". 2009-02-05. Retrieved 2009-6-18. {{cite news}}: Check date values in: |accessdate= (help)
  2. ^ "Interior Ministry issues list of extremists wanted for extradition". Saudi Embassy, Washington. 2009-02-03. Archived from the original on 2009-10-23.
  3. ^ a b Cite error: The named reference AsharqAlawsat2009-02-06 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).
  4. ^ Cite error: The named reference ArmiesOfLiberation2009-02-20 was invoked but never defined (see the help page).

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formatting edit

Could the person who formatted this page please fix it. The last half is a formatting nightmare. 131.202.156.75 (talk) 16:30, 13 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

  •   Done dont know who broke it long long ago, but i found the problem and fixed it. --DBigXray 21:11, 13 July 2018 (UTC)Reply

it is counterpolicy to remove redlinks to topics that could plausibly be standalone articles edit

it is counterpolicy to remove redlinks to topics that could plausibly be standalone articles.

Someone has removed some redlinks to topics that could plausibly be standalone articles. I restored them. Geo Swan (talk) 01:00, 17 January 2020 (UTC)Reply

Geo Swan, I think these people would not have their own articles. Maybe I am wrong. But they seem to be notable just because of one event.--SharʿabSalam▼ (talk) 11:11, 17 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
  • First, BLP1E only applies to some of these individuals. Second, if you re-read BLP1E, it is equivocal. It doesn't say being a BLP1E is not an absolute bar to notability. It is conditional, a judgement call.
Buzz Aldrin - is he a BLP1E? Wiseguys re-used the arguments those who cite BLP1E, on Aldrin. (1) He was only known for landing on the moon; (2) his books, film and television appearances only happened because of the one event - landing on the moon. BLP1E explicitly says an individual can measure up to our notability criteria if their role in an event is central, well documented etc.
I suggest that the time for you to raise a BLP1E concern would be if (1) someone turned the redlink into an article; and (2) after a good look at that article you concluded the available references you found in your own web search (in compliance with WP:BEFORE) that article fell short of our inclusion criteria.
  • Consider Sultan Radi al-Utaibi, the first of those four men. How closely did you research him, prior to labelling him a BLP1E? He was (1) named on a list of most-wanted suspects; determined to have lead a plot to assassinate Prince Muhammed Bin Naif Bin Abdul Aziz; and (3) killed in a shootout. Why don't you consider these three events? Geo Swan (talk) 15:04, 17 January 2020 (UTC)Reply
"Saudi wanted militants killed in Yemen". Al Sawah. 2009-09-27. Archived from the original on 2009-09-30. Sources told al-Hayat that other Saudi militants called their families and asked them to inform the family of al-Jolaiti that he along with a companion were killed.
"Saudi Wanted Suspects Killed in Yemen Fighting". Yemen Post. 2009-09-27. Archived from the original on 2009-10-02. Othman Al-Ghamedi and Yousuf Al-Shahri, who are also on the most wanted list, called their families asking them to inform the Al-Jatili's family of the death of their fellow, according to the paper.
"Ministry: 3 Saudi militants killed in blast abroad". Washington Post. 2010-01-18. Archived from the original on 2010-01-18.
"Blast kills 3 terrorists". Arab News. 2010-01-18. Archived from the original on 2010-01-18.
"3 Saudis involved in attempt on prince life". Saudi Gazette. 2010-01-19. Archived from the original on 2012-03-02. Retrieved 2010-01-19. Three Saudis, who were killed last year in an explosion, were involved in the failed assassination attempt on the life of Prince Muhammed Bin Naif Bin Abdul Aziz, the Assistant Minister of Interior for Security Affairs, it has been revealed by a security source.
"Saudi Arabia: 3 Militants Died in September Blast, Officials Say". The New York Times. 2010-01-19. p. A8. The official Saudi Press Agency quoted the ministry as saying that DNA tests identified the three men as Mohammed Abdel-Rahman al-Rashed, 28; Sultan Radi al-Utaibi, 26; and Fahd Jutayli, 28, who was released from Guantánamo in 2007.
@SharabSalam:

rough work 23:43, 17 January 2020 (UTC) edit

names from Examining Saudi Arabia’s 85 Most Wanted List

  1. al-Qa`ida in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP)
  2. Said al-Shahri ISN 372
  3. Mohammed al-Aufi ISN 333
  4. Saudi rehabilitation and reintegration program
  5. Qasim al-Raymi
  6. Saudi Interior Minister Prince Muhammad bin Na’if bin `Abd al-`Aziz
  7. Dr. Turki al-Atyan
  8. the late Hamza al-Q`uyati
  9. Ibrahim Hassan Tali Assiri
  10. Salah Abdullah Saleh al-Qaraawi
  11. Abdullah Hassan Tali Assiri
  12. Obaid Abdul Rahman Abdullah al-Otaibi
  13. Mohammed Abdul Rahman Suleiman al-Rashid
  14. Naif Mohammed Saeed al-Kodari al-Qahtani
  15. Waleed Ali Mishafi al-Mishafi Assiri
  16. Saleh al-Qaraawi
  17. Ibrahim Hassan Tali Assiri
  18. Abdullah Hassan Tali Assiri
  19. Abdullah Farraj Mohammed Hamoud al-Juweir
  20. Fahd al-Juweir
  21. Abdul Mohsen Abdullah Ibrahim al-Sharikh
  22. Abdulhadi ISN 231
  23. Abdulrazaq ISN 067
  24. Adnan Mohammed Ali al-Sayegh ISN 105
  25. Othman Ahmad Othman al-Omeira al-Ghamdi (#53 and ISN 184
  26. Yousef Mohammed Mubarak al-Jubairi al-Shahri (#85 and ISN 114
  27. Saad al-Shahri
  28. Said al-Shahri (#31 and ISN 372
  29. Abdul Ilah Mustafa Mohammed al-Jubeiri al-Shahri
  30. Said al-Shahri (#31 and ISN 372
  31. Ahmad Ibrahim Mohammed al-Tuweijiri
  32. Asbat al-Ansar
  33. `Ayn al-Hilwa refugee camp
  34. Badawi refugee camp
  35. Abu Mus`ab al-Zarqawi
  36. Badr Saud Owaid al-Aufi al-Harbi
  37. journal Sawt al-Jihad
  38. Badr Saud Owaid al-Aufi al-Harbi
  39. Mohammed Otaik Owaid al-Aufi al-Harbi
  40. Saleh al-Aufi
  41. Khaled Ibrahim Ahmad al-Sunbul al-Assiri
  42. Rayed Abdullah Salim al-Zahiri al-Harbi
  43. Sultan Radi Sumeilil al-Otaibi
  44. Abdullah Mohammed Abdullah al-Ayed
  45. Obaid Mubarak Obaid al-Kufeil
  46. Saudi Arabian General Intelligence Department Colonel Nasir al-Othmani
  47. Saleh Abdullah Saleh al-Qaraawi
  48. Khalil al-Hakaymah
  49. al-Malaz prison
  50. Mohammed Abdullah Hassan abul-Khair
  51. Ramzi bin al-Shibh
  52. Azzam Abdullah Zureik al-Maulid al-Subhi
  53. Abdel Aziz Migrin
  54. Sayf al-Adl
  55. Fahad Rikad Sameer al-Ruwaili
  56. Naif Mohammed Saeed al-Kodari al-Qahtani
  57. Sada al-Malahim
  58. Abdullah Abdul Rahman Mohammed al-Harbi
  59. Fahd Rikad Sameer al-Ruwaili