Talk:Sandpiper

Move to Sandpiper?

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: page moved.  Ronhjones  ^(Talk) 23:03, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

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Scolopacidae → Sandpiper — This name is the usual common name for the group, and for many of its species. —innotata 15:31, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

• Support' makes sense to me. Sabine's Sunbird talk 21:02, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Cladogram

Just after I added a cladogram to the article I noticed that a preprint had been posted on BioRxiv on 16 July 2021:

• Černý, David; Natale, Rossy (2021-07-16). Comprehensive taxon sampling and vetted fossils help clarify the time tree of shorebirds (Aves, Charadriiformes). pp. 2021.07.15.452585. Retrieved 2021-11-18.

The phylogeny in the new study differs mainly in the earlier branching. It uses more data, includes the missing genera and puts the imperial snipe in Chubbia. When the preprint is published in a refereed journal I'll update the cladogram.

See also:

• https://www.museum.lsu.edu/~Remsen/SACCprop546.html
• https://www.birdforum.net/threads/scolopaci.171100/page-2

- Aa77zz (talk) 19:03, 18 November 2021 (UTC)

The revised cladogram based on the preprint is:

Scolopacidae Bartramia – upland sandpiper Numenius – curlews (9 species) Lymnocryptes – jack snipe Limosa – godwits (4 species) Limnodromus – dowitchers (3 species) Scolopax – woodcocks (8 species) Coenocorypha – snipe (3 extant species, 2 extinct) Gallinago – snipe (18 species) Phalaropus – phalaropes (3 species) Xenus – Terek sandpiper Actitis – sandpipers (2 species) Tringa – sandpipers, tattlers etc (13 species) Prosobonia – Polynesian sandpipers (1 extant species, 3 extinct) Arenaria – turnstones (2 species) Calidris – Sandpipers (24 species)

Phylogeny of the Scolopacidae based on a study (preprint) by Cerny and Natale. Though currently placed in Gallinago, the imperial snipe (Gallinago imperialis) was found to be more closely related to snipes in Coenocorypha.

- Aa77zz (talk) 08:37, 19 November 2021 (UTC)