Talk:Raygun

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Futurism should be put in historical context, plus examples should be put in detailed historyEdit

The idea of rayguns came about at the time when the idea of radiation was new; cathode ray tubes were invented in the 1870s, the X-ray was discovered in 1895, and Becquerel ray in 1896. By 1898 when H.G. Wells wrote about a "Heat-Ray", radium had just been discovered, and x-rays and ultraviolet rays started being used for therapies. Cathode ray tubes were also sometimes referred to as "cathode ray guns" or "electron guns". The idea of "heat rays" in fact was pretty common in the 19th century; it was believed at the sun had three different rays -- light rays, heat rays, and actinic rays. This is the cultural background that would have led Wells to postulate the creation of a "heat ray". Some historical context should be noted for the creation of the idea of the "raygun".

Also, I think other commenters here are right that most of the article is a list of trivia. References to science fiction uses should fit into some longer "history" section, which discusses the evolution of the concept and ray gun designs, from the 19th century to the Buck Rogers era, to modern laser and phase weapons.

I'll find some sources to cite and try to do an overhaul of the page soon. Brianshapiro (talk) 17:28, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

  • Trivialness is relative. Often one man's trivia is another man's important relevant matter. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:10, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
  • I agree that the article contains far too many uncited trivial appearances which should be removed per WP:V and WP:IINFO. The use of this prop is so widespread that it should not merely be listed indiscriminately, but notable uses should be explained in the context of prose.  Sandstein  22:36, 8 August 2011 (UTC)
  • Anthony, anyone is able to find plenty of uses of ray guns in fiction by searching Wikipedia; the search will return a results of all articles containing "ray gun", after all. The question I think is how we should best organize the article. The history section should be much bigger than it is, and I think most references would be able to fit in there anyway, so if we get that done, a list will just end up being redundant.
    I'm going to work on the history. If anyone wants, I could put the edits up in a candidate article instead of the live article, but I think what I have in mind won't be very controversial. Brianshapiro (talk) 02:35, 9 August 2011 (UTC)
  • ...able to find plenty of uses...: i.e. by each reader having to repeat the long work that I had to do: call search for several terms used to mean rayguns, weed through the search results, read through each article to sort out the raygun matter from the rest, and make a list. I did the job once and made a list and saved many readers from having to repeat this work. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 07:53, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Belgriffinite, 9 September 2011Edit

In the Call of Duty section where it lists the maps featuring the raygun, it only lists Kino Der Toten, Five, Ascension, and Call of the Dead, however it is also featured in Shangi-La and Moon as well.

Belgriffinite (talk) 00:40, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

  Done JguyTalkDone 21:44, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 January 2015Edit

Can the website "Ispy Rayuns" be included on the external links. For more fictional, but enjoyable, advice on RayGuns, visit http://ma1243.wix.com/ispy-rayguns Littleredlight (talk) 16:16, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

  Not done: These do not appear to be very reliable sources. Cannolis (talk) 21:16, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Rayguns in Call of DutyEdit

Please change the claim that the Raygun can be obtained in Call of Duty World at War "through an easter egg." Just because something is hidden does not mean it's an easter egg. Fucking kids.

It is an easter egg. Fucking old people.

Suggest deleting listEdit

I tried to make the list a little easier to follow by separating it into categories: written SF, film and movies, and games.

Still, I think that this list really isn't very useful. Ray guns are so common in science fiction that there hundreds of examples not listed, far more than the ones that actually made it on the list. My suggestion would be to pick a few of these that have some historical value of illustrate some point, and expand those, but not keep the simple list of names of works.Geoffrey.landis (talk) 04:20, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

It would be near impossible for the list to be comprehensive. If there are "rayguns" which have their own article - then (possibly) list them as noticeable, but dump the rest.GraemeLeggett (talk) 08:48, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Agree with a great deal of dumping. Instead of the list being a whole lot of fanboy OR, each entry should have its writing reversed, bullet list each example of "Raygun" that has its own article, then its description, i.e. a WP:NAVLIST. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 19:45, 22 February 2018 (UTC)
Went ahead and cleaned up the list(s) - besides the WP:FANCRUFT, turned out to be allot of redundancy.Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 16:35, 7 March 2018 (UTC)

ENOUGH ALREADY!Edit

This is one of the most objective articles in the world right now on fiction I have seen as a Storyteller in my life. From scientists lying about asteroid fields unlike our solar system being impossible, to ignoring the fact lightsabers and blasters are plasmas or particle beams, to saying the Death STAR needs six weeks of solar energy and is therefore impossible and unrealistic despite unlimited access to artificial gravity and fusion in a moon sized metal ball!!!

Now who is the idiot who wrote that visible wounds are not seen in Star Wars? They never watched the movies! They even bleed in the same ones! In Star Trek, the level of Phaser wounds depends. Often budget concerns stopped them. But the most of the later series, if you were not disintegrated, there were wounds referenced often in all series needing treated and visible plasma burns have been shown a ton!

Someone cut this out and stay the course. We don't need more people pretending dual wield is impractical because modern gun culture doesn't like it...Because the movies do it simply, no physics ban there.2600:1700:BCE0:A230:3D9E:B307:38EA:4B7C (talk) 18:31, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 May 2018Edit

The Yamato (Space battleship Yamato 2199) has 5 triple-mount shock cannons that thrust the energy generated by the wave motion engine in a small, concentrated blue energy beam. Garmillas warships are armed with positron beam turrets which shoot a red energy beam. UNCF (United Nations Cosmo Force) ships are armed with dual or triple-mount high-pressure laser turrets. The high-pressure laser turrets shoot a compressed, concentrated green energy beam that destroy targets with sheer pressure, earning it's name. These high-pressure lasers prove to be ineffective against the migobeza armor coating of Garmillas warships, as seen in the Yamato 2199 episode, "Messager of Iscandar". 1.53.241.12 (talk) 09:59, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

  Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Sam Sailor 10:40, 25 May 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 August 2020Edit

i want to add call of duty zombies raygun in the rayguns in games section 007 bonder 18:17, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

  Not done: Listed guns need to be notable enough to have their own article. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 21:04, 15 August 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 December 2020Edit

Games - call of duty zombies from black ops 1 through Cold War 2607:FEA8:139F:ECD0:4C93:F5DF:27E3:E502 (talk) 12:26, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

  Not done: Only guns notable enough to have their own article(s) should be given as listed examples. --Paultalk❭ 12:47, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Edit RequestEdit

While watching Forbidden Planet just the other day, I heard Leslie Nielsen's character call his raygun weapon a "blaster". Out of curiosity, I was looking on Wikipedia to see what the earliest mention of "blaster" for a raygun type sci-fi weapon was mentioned and I see here on Wikipedia that it is attributed to Star Wars and that it came around in the "'60's to '70's". Certainly the SW franchise has all but made "blaster" associated with it, I do not dispute that, however, I believe in the interest of providing the full history of "blaster" used for a raygun type weapon, that Forbidden Planet should be mentioned. Perhaps there are older sources, but FP definitely came out before SW and before the "'60's to '70's" when the article says "blaster" came into use for a raygun type weapon. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.44.67.144 (talk) 23:52, 20 April 2021 (UTC)

This got me curious, so I checked the SF Dictionary - https://sfdictionary.com/view/29/blaster - and in fact the term is documented back to 1925. I don't presently have the time to add more info on the matter, but I figured I'd leave a note here anyway. I like seeing the evolution of sci-fi slang. Tisnec (talk) 01:22, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
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