Talk:Rapp Road Community Historic District

Land acknowledgement

Added the equivalent of a digital land acknowledgement, based on information from the Albany Pine Bush entry. Younvrknow (talk) 03:24, 8 September 2020 (UTC)

development towards DYK perhaps

This is an interesting historic district. Thanks, Camelbinky, for expanding the stub and adding another source. There's lots more in the NRHP document. I wonder, is the NRHP document accessible to you? It is very hard to read using Firefox, as the NYS OPRHP website serving it is optimized only for Microsoft Internet Explorer. I could email you a PDF of it, though, if that would help you. By the way, I wrote a bit about this place into Shubuta, Mississippi and National Register of Historic Places listings in Clarke County, Mississippi articles.

Further, I'd like to write a DYK nomination for this site. Perhaps something like: Did you know "...that Rapp Road Community Historic District in Albany, New York, was founded in the 1940's as an exclave of black church members from Shubuta, Mississippi?"

The main wp:DYK criteria for new article mentions are that it has to be within 5 days of article start, that the DYK hook has to be shorter than 200 characters, and the article needs to have 1500+ characters. It would be great to get a pic, but even without a pic, the article can be expanded to meet DYK criteria and nominated. It was started on April 19, so there's a few days remaining. doncram (talk) 23:36, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

Using Word's "word count" tool, i count 831 characters of text, including spaces, in the current article, which is currently too short. And the first draft DYK hook suggestion above is 154 characters (which is fine). doncram (talk) 23:41, 20 April 2009 (UTC)

I dont know if the NRHP document is available to me, I do use Firefox on some of the computers I use, but I probably could look at it at work. I just assumed for some reason that the only info in it would be technical mumbojumbo like long. & lat. coordinates and bureaucratic non-sense on labelling a place a number and stuff like that, I didnt realize it would have fun stuff like history, though I should have been smarter and realized that it would, since that's the whole point of why these things get nominated! I'll look at it as soon as I can. I've gotten distracted from working on NRHPs in order to try and get Capital District to a GA status, though I hope to work on these NRHPs at the same time. I guess I was too cocky when I implied that I could keep up with you if you just kept making them! Dont slow down though unless you want to, I'll get to them eventually, better to have a stub than nothing.Camelbinky (talk) 06:40, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

I've attempted to make the article longer, but I think its still short of what's needed for DYK. Doncram if you can let me know how many more characters of text is needed I'll try my best before the deadline of April 24, (if I did the math right).Camelbinky (talk) 07:10, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Firefox does work with the NYS OPRHP documents, but for me it shows the document only in a one inch tall, wide window. I often make do with that, and keep scrolling down to read. Or, I print from Firefox to a PDF document, so that i can have more convenient access.

The DYK nom phrase is not quite right, so i still haven't put the nom in. The parcel was purchased in 1930s. When did others from Shubuta arrive? Were they all members / associated with one church there? I used the word exclave, not sure if that is right. Editing help on this, and/or an alternative DYK nom phrase, would be appreciated. doncram (talk) 18:25, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Camelbinky for developing it as far as you did. For a DYK, how about: Did you known that "...during the First Great Migration, the majority of Shubuta, Mississippi moved to Albany, New York, with some recreating a religious, rural community in Rapp Road Community Historic District?" I nominated that, at Template talk:Did you know#Rapp Road Community Historic District. doncram (talk) 03:24, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Looks good to me. Sorry I couldnt expand it further. I got distracted expanding Capital District's transportation section and doing some work on some of the other NRHP articles. I expanded a little at Downtown Albany Historic District and hope to concentrate on that one for a lil while.Camelbinky (talk) 03:29, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Majority of Shubuta moved to Albany?

Just how small is/was Shubuta if the "majority" of the town moved to Albany, seeing as how it was about 25 families at the Rapp Road Community in its heyday according to the people who live there now? I dont doubt the nomination form, well, in this case I do, perhaps it should be the "majority of Black residents of Shubuta". Hope I'm not spelling that town wrong. But anyways, sounds dubious to me. Can someone look into this.Camelbinky (talk) 03:55, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The assertion, which is in the NRHP nom document, is that the majority of Shubuta moved to Albany. Not that they moved to Rapp Road. doncram (talk) 03:57, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Still, the majority of that whole town moved just to Albany? Today that town is like 650 people or so, even if it was the same size back then a majority would be at least 325 people, which I guess COULD have happened, Ive heard of entire villages from Eastern Europe and other places coming to the US wholesale, but you figure if the majority of the town came to Albany in the 1930s then probably the population of the town today is even smaller than back then, thus upping the number of people who must have left this one town and they all came to one upstate NY city. One would have to assume that very very few if any white people actually left Shup. to come to Albany, so were African-Americans that much of a majority of the town that a majority of the town could come to Albany? Even today it seems that African-Americans (according to wikipedia) make up 74% of the pop of that town, which you would think it would be much less if so many had left. I guess I'm just looking for a clarification on just how much a majority was it of that town. I'm just not following. Albany actually didnt have much of a Black population until the 1970s, it wasnt a very big destination during the First Migration, from what I understand the Irish controlled Democratic machine Daniel P. O'Connell and Mayor Corning had in Albany kept it that way.Camelbinky (talk) 04:12, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

It's stated in the source. The source does have other interesting info, like a table of census data showing total Albany and black subtotal every ten years. The assertion is provocative / surprising. It's good to get the assertion out there, and if there are people out there with contrary or supporting evidence they will chime in. But it is sourced and we don't need to discuss it, really. I'm happy to agree that it is surprising. That's why I picked that assertion for the DYK, because it was the most surprising/unusual fact that jumped out at me, too. What would be more helpful now is developing the article using other material from the NRHP nom document and the source you had used. Note i revised some dates (e.g. that Parson arrived in 1927) based on the NRHP nom doc. doncram (talk) 04:22, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

There has been a book written by the woman who did the research on the community, she and her book are mentioned in one of the sources I put in, if someone can get ahold of a copy of it from a library it might have more useful information, I guess she interviewed the people living there and so it would be based directly on primary sources. "Southern Life, Northern City: The History of Albany's Rapp Road Community" (State University of New York Press, 191 pages).

Thank you for explaining that to me, I'm still trying to figure out why I cant get the nom document and stuff to show up on any computer I use, so I'm basically left in the dark and have to rely on you for that information.Camelbinky (talk) 20:35, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The NRHP application is written by Jennifer A. Lernak and includes quotes from interviews she conducted in 2000. She was then a doctoral student at SUNY-Albany. Probably the book you refer to is by her? This is then a shorter, 27 page version. Please send me an email and I'll send the NRHP application document and its accompanying photo set to you (using the free yousendit.com service, for which i need your email, to notify you the doc is available to download). There is an email-to-me button at my user page. doncram (talk) 21:29, 24 April 2009 (UTC)