Talk:Protestation at Speyer

Paragraph missing from translation

When I translated this article from the German, the following paragraph stumped me:

"In diser „Protestationsschrift" hieß es unter Anderm:

,,So protestieren und bezeugen wir hiermit offen vor Gott, unserem alleinigen Erschaffer, Erhalter, Erlöser und Seligmacher, der allein unser aller Herzen erforscht und erkennt, auch demnach recht richten wird, auch vor allen Menschen und Kreaturen, daß wir für uns, die Unsrigen und aller männiglich halben in alle Handlung und vermeinten Abschied nicht gehelen noch billigen, sondern aus vorgesetzten und anderen redlichen gegründeten Ursachen für nichtig und unbündig halten"."

I got as far as:

In this "letter of protestatation" it says among others:

"Therefore we protest and witness herewith openly before God, our sole Creator, Sustainer, Redeemer and Blesser, who alone sees and knows all our hearts and will judge them well, also before all men and creatures, that we..."

before stumbling on "Unsrigen", "männiglich", and "gehelen", as well as the sheer length of the sentence. If anyone can translate the rest, it should be the sixth paragraph, below the one that begins "On 20th April the evangelical princes..." Thanks! --Malthusian (talk) 21:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Another go, leaving out just the odd words:

"Therefore we protest and witness herewith openly before God, our sole Creator, Sustainer, Redeemer and Blesser, who alone sees and knows all our hearts and will judge them well, also before all men and creatures, that we neither helen nor approve the Unsrigen and all männiglich halben in all deeds and supposed decision, but rather, for the reasons already laid out and others that are likewise well-founded, hold them to be invalid and divisive."

The words in bold, obviously, I don't know. "Halben" is usually "half" but I can't see how it fits the context. "Unbündig" I guessed, since my dictionary gives "bündig" as "succint", but "divisive" fits the sense of the text and seems to fit with "un-uniting-ly". --Malthusian (talk) 09:23, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

translations

"unsrigen" or "unserigen" is not often used very much but simply means "ours". example: das sind die unsrigen (these are ours), like: das sind die meinigen, die deinigen, die seinigen, die ihrigen, die eurigen. nowadays one usually says: das sind die meinen or das sind meine, das sind die unseren or das sind unsere. when you say "das sind die meinigen" it usually refers to your family, so in the case of this letter "unsrigen" would probably refer to the families, like our kin.

"männiglich" you got me on this one

"halben" i think is related to english "-half" like in "behalf". it's not used anymore but there are remnants like in "der einfachheit halber" (for the sake of simplicity) or "sicherheitshalber" (for safety reasons or "meinethalben" (on my account or for my sake). i think the relationship with engl. "behalf" can still be seen.

"helen" and this one, too. Sundar1 18:01, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Männiglich means everbody, see: http://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/maenniglich ManfredV (talk) 10:46, 19 November 2012 (UTC)