Talk:Prince Alfred of Great Britain

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Reviewer: J Milburn (talk · contribs) 12:23, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Interesting subject, and it's always going to be an interesting article, as there is so little to say. Review coming soon. J Milburn (talk) 12:23, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

• Do we have any idea why he was called "Alfred"?

• I can't find anything on it. I would assume he's named after Alfred the Great, but that's just original research on my part. Ruby 2010/2013 03:43, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• That's fair. J Milburn (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• "Alfred was buried at Westminster Abbey, though his remains were later moved to St. George's Chapel, Windsor Castle in 1820." Family crypt? Why were they moved?

• They were interred in the Royal Family Vault. Not sure why- will research further Ruby 2010/2013 21:29, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

• Can't find anything useful on this. I'll keep looking in my general reading, but it probably won't be found soon. Ruby 2010/2013 23:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• "and the sight of Alfred's posthumous portrait" Is this the one used in the article? Who was it by?

• The portrait was part of a family painting by Thomas Gainsborough, but is not the one used in the article. Ruby 2010/2013 04:55, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• Are the unlinked people on the family tree worth redlinks?

• I added one wikilink, but would say the others probably aren't notable enough for their own articles. I can always add the red links if you want though Ruby 2010/2013 03:43, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• I'm happy to trust your judgement. J Milburn (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• Can we perhaps have a page ref for ref 17?

• There really isn't an explicit statement that says Alfred is also unique among their first fourteen children for never being an older sibling while he was alive, as the only child younger than him was born after his death. Anyone looking at a George III family tree displaying the birth/death years can see a source for the above statement. Ruby 2010/2013 03:43, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• "Memorials of St. James's palace, Volume 2" Palace?

• Fixed Ruby 2010/2013 21:29, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

• What was he in line for the throne upon his birth? Ninth, as the ninth son? (Probably obvious)

• Yes, he was ninth in line- do you think this should be added? Ruby 2010/2013 21:29, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

• Your call. I wondered why it wasn't in, then thought that it was obvious. J Milburn (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• If he were closer to the throne, I would add it in. But ninth-in-line isn't all that important. Ruby 2010/2013 23:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• File:Prince Alfred of Great Britain.jpg could do with Template:Information. Clearly PD, but information is always nice.

• Added full information Ruby 2010/2013 04:55, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• "his early death at the age of nearly two, along with the demise of his brother Prince Octavius six months later, was a shock to their parents. In his later bouts of madness King George would have imagined conversations with both of his youngest sons." You don't mention the shock of Octavius's death elsewhere in the article. Perhaps mention that Alfred's death was a shock, then introduce Octavius in the next sentence?

• I edited this a bit; hopefully it looks more clear. Ruby 2010/2013 04:55, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• Looking for further sources, I can barely find a mention of him. Here there's a mention of how he preferred his children while they were young, and a different year is given for the conversations with the dead princes. This mentions the grief of the king, but agrees with your date for the conversations. A search through some scholarly articles throws up nothing much.

• I also noticed the differences in year (1811 versus 1812). The king's last bout of illness began in 1811 til his death, so any hallucinations could have occurred in either year. On further inspection I'm inclined to go with Black's date (he's a more established historian). Will fix in article. Ruby 2010/2013 05:04, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• You could mention the dispute in a footnote, perhaps? In an article this short, it's perhaps worth going into as much detail as possible. J Milburn (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• I added a footnote. Good suggestion. Ruby 2010/2013 23:48, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Hope these thoughts have been helpful. J Milburn (talk) 12:51, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

You've raised some good points. The sources I use unfortunately don't answer the above questions, but I'll do some more research in the next few days. Because of his age, Prince Alfred is naturally not the focus of most historians and biographers, limiting the info out there. :/ Thanks, Ruby 2010/2013 21:29, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

• I believe I have replied to all of your comments. Let me know if you need more explanations for any of them. Ruby 2010/2013 04:55, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• I am now happy to promote- I doubt much more could be done with this article. Good work! J Milburn (talk) 16:45, 21 November 2011 (UTC)

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Unclear on innoculation

"Around 1796, Edward Jenner introduced inoculation, a novel method of smallpox immunisation... In 1782, Prince Alfred was inoculated against smallpox."

If inoculation was not introduced until 1796, how was Alfred inoculated 14 years earlier? The article contradicts itself here. If I understand the inoculation article correctly, Jenner did not introduce inoculation; he introduced an improved type of inoculation.

I think it would be better to remove the Jenner sentence altogether, as it refers to events 14 years later. For that matter, I don't see the point of the sentence about what happened 61 years earlier in 1721 either. So I suggest the first paragraph of "Death and Aftermath" should simply read:

"During the time of Prince Alfred, smallpox was a disease dreaded by royalty and commoners alike, and due to a lack of medical development, it was frequently fatal. Around 1796, Edward Jenner introduced inoculation, a novel method of smallpox immunisation. Queen Charlotte, Alfred's mother, was a lifelong advocate of inoculation, and she had the royal children undergo the procedure. Variolation, its precursor, was popularised in Britain when the daughters of King George II, then Prince of Wales, underwent the procedure in 1721." Adpete (talk) 02:41, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Given that another editor noticed the contradiction (see next section), I have removed the sentence about Jenner's inoculation. Adpete (talk) 09:22, 2 June 2023 (UTC)

Confusion about inoculation dates

The text says that Jenner introduced inoculation in 1796 - I believe this is correct. It then says Prince Alfred was inoculated in 1782 - fourteen years earlier. Was this a Jenner style inoculation or variolation, a much more dangerous procedure? The current text is not clear at all. 74.104.159.232 (talk) 03:34, 2 June 2023 (UTC)