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What is this article about? edit
This article is not much use and it is in need of radical reorganisation. Is it about a site? Is it about the finds from the site? Is it about an alleged hoax? The uninformed reader will come to this piece and think they have entered the middle of an argument. This is not what WIKIPEDIA is about, read soapbox and other guideline.Intervention is in the cards at some point, but opening up discussion here is a good idea. --Shirazibustan (talk) 13:46, 12 June 2013 (UTC)Shirazibustan
- There's a new article by a curator at the Met that just came out in Orientations so I've made some changes based on that which I hope will move in the direction you're recommending (which I agree with). I'm fully aware of the India v Nepal struggle over who owns Kapilavastu (and associated tourist revenue) but the site seems impartial on that subject. Piprahwa's notoriety is mainly for what you can see: an impressive stupa with a fascinating claim to fame Kalagon (talk) 22:53, 7 July 2023 (UTC)
This article discusses clearly Piprahwa village and more importantly its Stupa. Yes, there is a discussion about the Piprahwa find (that is what history is like sometimes) and its authenticity as an important historical monument. People may wish to add more description about the historical Stupa itself (i.e. facts)and I will do, but mere description of a place is not what a place or information is simply about - that would be naive. Pipscherf13 (talk) 22:01, 2 July 2013 (UTC)
- Shirazibustan, I agree with your comment. JimRenge (talk) 09:38, 22 June 2015 (UTC)
- Well, speaking as a naif, is not the subtext to this that India would like the location of the Buddha's upbringing to be in India at Piprahwa rather than in Nepal, a little to the North? If that is the case and that is Piprahwa's claim to fame, wouldn't it simply be more straightforward to state this in the opening paragraph? --50.68.134.51 (talk) 19:20, 12 May 2017 (UTC)
External links edit
"Content from websites whose content is largely user-generated is also generally unacceptable." This includes "Sites with user-generated content include personal websites, personal blogs (...)." (WP:USERGENERATED) Please see also WP:EL and WP:COI for more information. http://news-antique.com/?id=805825 may, or may not, be relevant in this context. Ronz, could you please take a look at the EL section? There is an extremely slow edit war going on here. JimRenge (talk) 17:06, 27 May 2017 (UTC)
- I'll take a look.
- So this article is really about the archaeological findings near Piprahwa and speculation about them?
- The currently linked piprahwamuseum.com just has the single page with images and a link to http://kapilavastumuseum.in/ ? Nothing else?
- kapilavastumuseum.in is no longer working but was archived fairly recently: https://web.archive.org/web/20160109173203/http://kapilavastumuseum.in/
- kapilavastumuseum.in included a link to asilucknowcircle.nic.in, another site that is no longer working.
- It might be helpful to know what section of ASI currently includes Piprahwa.
- I cannot get the search engine at http://asi.nic.in to give anything other than an error.
- I'm not clear any of the removed links meet EL criteria.
- I think we have WP:FRINGE issues with the article content and the links in dispute. --Ronz (talk) 18:23, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
- Thank you Ronz, your comment is most welcome because I know you are competent in EL disputes and you have no dog in this race. The old ASI link, https://web.archive.org/web/20160109173203/http://kapilavastumuseum.in/, had more useful info, I will re-add this one.
- The problematic, self-published links were:
- http://www.piprahwa.org.uk The Piprahwa Deceptions: Setups and Showdown (autor:TA Phelps; added several times by [User:Taphelps])
- http://piprahwadebunk.com Debunking the Piprahwa Conspiracy theory (blog)
- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yn3lk6xTF24 Bones of the Buddha (copyvio?)
- http://www.piprahwa.com The Piprahwa Project (anonymous blog/virtual project; no evidence that this site is a reliable source; perhaps a personal website of Allen or a member of the Peppe family)
- http://www.piprahwajewels.co.uk The Piprahwa Jewels (personal website of Neil Peppe, owner of a part of the jewels, however he is not a published scholar or expert)
- I have removed these links; they are interesting (the photos of the jewels are very nice) but partisan and I see no evidence of their reliability. JimRenge (talk) 20:14, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
- I assume The Kapilavastu/Piprahwa museum is still under the jurisdiction of the Lucknow Circle (https://web.archive.org/web/20160109195227/http://asilucknowcircle.nic.in/) of the Archaeological Survey of India. JimRenge (talk) 22:04, 28 May 2017 (UTC)
History of annexation of Kapilvastu edit
Can anyone write about; A German archaeologist named Alois Führer rediscovered Lumbini in 1895 CE. How Kapilvastu/Lumbini was annexed by King of Nepal in recent past? What is the history of Kapilvastu, Lumbini? Who was the last king ? When was it annexed by Nepal? Prashanna01 (talk) 16:54, 4 December 2019 (UTC)