Talk:Parag Agrawal

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2021

The article states that Agarwal became CTO of Twitter in Nov 2021, which is inaccurate. He became CTO in 2017. 81.106.78.105 (talk) 17:04, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

He has become CEO now Abheygpt1 (talk) 17:11, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

 Fixed agree the date he became CTO was incorrectly changed earlier today, I have reverted it back to match the source. Clearly someone didn't know the difference between CTO and CEO. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:17, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Still, the article says that he took upon the CTO role in Oct 2018, but his LinkedIn profile says Oct 2017.

 Fixed - changed it to 2017. Thanks. - Fuzheado | Talk 17:29, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 November 2021 (2)

1. change "Agarwal" to "Parag Agarwal" all over page - because his full name will form a link. 2. change "doctorate" to " Director of Philosophy(PHD) - Computer Science" - link to his Linkedin Profile = https://www.linkedin.com/in/parag-agrawal-5a14742a Vinaykumaryvk (talk) 17:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

 Partly done - The name change was not made, as that is not the standard style. We use only the last name on second and subsequent references. As for the degree, I've changed it to Ph.D. which is the right way to refer to this. Thanks. - Fuzheado | Talk 17:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

request for picture

I don't know how to link a picture of him, can anyone either help me or do it for me. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:4B00:9E0:449C:4643:3D99:BBDF (talk) 02:02, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

We would need a freely licenced image which complies with the Wikimedia image policy. If such a photo can be found, it can be added. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:07, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect information regarding prior experience

Apologies if I've misunderstood the edit request process. Thought I'd mention that the article claims Agarwal held 'leadership' positions at several companies before Twitter, despite the cited article stating he held 'research internships' at these companies. I suppose it's possible that they put interns in charge of teams there, but it seems unlikely. 109.255.252.57 (talk) 15:47, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done Fixed per main citation. Softlavender (talk) 07:23, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Free Speech

Please cite sources documenting his position on Twitter and free speech. —tbc (talk) 17:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

are you serious? 166.181.80.75 (talk) 06:53, 4 December 2021 (UTC)

I wonder if the rejection of his notions regarding free speech is sinking in. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.138.34.104 (talk) 04:07, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Indian-American?

just like with Sundar Pichai, there is no evidence that this man is an American citizen. why does Wikipedia insist on referring to both of these individuals as "Indian American"? 2604:2D80:4080:9500:C07E:F2C2:CFA4:8234 (talk) 22:03, 1 December 2021 (UTC)

why does Wikipedia insist on referring to both of these individuals as "Indian American"? Because reliable sources describe him as such. [1], [2], [3].

hako9 (talk) 07:34, 2 December 2021 (UTC)

There is no mention of this person in the article ever being naturalized as a US citizen in any sources you provided. They say the same thing Wikipedia does, that he's an "Indian-American" but no mention of him actually being a US citizen or being naturalized and when that happened. His bio says generally the same thing in each source, overall that he's an overprivileged soy boy that went to Standford, just like Pichai. Merely being able to go to Stanford because you're a Brahmin back home in India and then being able to live in Silicon Valley in California doesn't make one automatically one an "American". 208.90.15.25 (talk) 09:15, 3 December 2021 (UTC)

Citation PLEASE for the assertion of American citizenship N0w8st8s (talk) 15:45, 13 May 2022 (UTC)n0w8st8s

Criticism of Twitter

The last two paragraphs under Views and policies on online speech are criticism of twitter and doesn't concern Parag (except that he happened to be the CEO right then). Thoughts? Murtaza.aliakbar (talk) 17:06, 9 December 2021 (UTC)

For the most part they are his direct quotes. Considering he is CEO is views on the role of twitter are essential for any reader Viktory02 (talk) 20:43, 22 December 2021 (UTC)

• Comments from random Twitter users removed. Softlavender (talk) 07:07, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

School

Dear IP, please stop adding the words "Schooling and Intermediate" to this article. This is non-standard English and makes very little, if any, sense. Softlavender (talk) 11:23, 31 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 April 2022

First line, change 'is' for 'was'. As of April 25 2022, he is not the CEO of Twitter anymore. Montrealpsycho (talk) 12:04, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Did the sale get finalized, and did he get let go or resign? ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 12:08, 26 April 2022 (UTC)

He wasn't fired and the source never states fired

The articled used as a source states he and other executives left the company. If that is enough to be called fired than many other wikis of prior CEOs to companies taken private need to be edited. Carman88 (talk) 01:45, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

CBS sacramento say he was fired. So does washington post and wall street journal 2603:8000:5000:E9D2:3926:BDC7:D8C2:58AC (talk) 02:08, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Thats not what the source listed claims or even words it as. The source should be changed or the text of the article should be. Carman88 (talk) 07:24, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Dang, Sheila; Roumeliotis, Greg (October 27, 2022). "Musk starts his Twitter ownership with firings, declares the 'bird is freed'". Reuters. -- Softlavender (talk) 08:25, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Thank you and the other editor for fixing the source issue Carman88 (talk) 08:34, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Parag Agarwal won the International Physics Olympiad in 2001

I've been reading up on this guy and found out he won the IPO in 2001. This is definitely a noteworthy achievement no? I believe somebody should add this to his article. sources: https://ipho-unofficial.org/countries/IND/individual https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/pune/indians-bag-5-medals-at-physics-olympiad/articleshow/1375985964.cms — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.208.184.145 (talk) 02:28, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done

Surprised media outlets didn't pick it on when he was announced CEO last year. Thank you for your contribution! — Krutarth (talk) 03:42, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Reuters is very explicit that Agrawal was fired and escorted off the premises

• Dang, Sheila; Roumeliotis, Greg (October 27, 2022). "Musk starts his Twitter ownership with firings, declares the 'bird is freed'". Reuters. Retrieved October 28, 2022.. -- Softlavender (talk) 08:18, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Is it appropriate to mention that without the context of why Elon would have fired him or when other reports just state he left the company as well.

The text messages from the court case paint an extremely antagonistic relationship and that might add some clarity. As it stands now it reads in a very un objective light.

Long time wiki reader, but finally made an account because this was just bizarre in how it read Carman88 (talk) 08:44, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

I'm not sure what your question is. It is appropriate to state the neutral and accurate facts (not that he was escorted off the premises, but that he was fired). If you have reliable source journalism (not court filings) that add details, feel free to submit them here for experienced editors to review. (Also, remember to indent your replies using colons as I have done here.) Softlavender (talk) 08:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Also, I just now added to the lead that Musk simultaneously fired two other top Twitter executives, so that makes it a bit more neutral. Softlavender (talk) 09:03, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

NPOV in lead

I've made the lead more neutral and less time bound by removing reference to Agrawal's 'firing'. It's referred to later on in the main body. It's routine for CEOs to leave their post in this way and the reference in the lead appeared gratuitious and not NPOV. Emmentalist (talk) 08:34, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

You made the removal before gaining consensus for it, so I have restored it. There is reason to have this information in the lede, because it is noteworthy and highly unusual. He was abruptly fired and escorted off the premises. It is certainly not "routine" for a CEO of a huge international corporation to be abruptly fired and escorted off the premises. Softlavender (talk) 08:40, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Thanks, @softlavender There's certainly no consensus required to make an edit per se. Whereas you've just reverted without seeking consensus, which you should have done. I entirely disagree with your entry. It's a function of short term news reporting, imho. In a short while it will seem a strange entry in the lead. I don't want to trade arguments, but in information sensitive environments, where comments can effect markets and where there is an explosive moment in a company's history, it is absolutely routine for people of all seniority to be escorted off the premises by security. The lead at present seems to me to lack objectivity. I don't want to edit war so let's see if we can get some comment from other editors here. Failing that, we can ask for a third opinion. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 12:52, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Please read WP:BRD. -- Softlavender (talk) 04:39, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

;-) or WP:Revert only when necessary? Plenty of room for chats around these things. But in the end, it's always best to have another Wikipedian's opinion (or more) wherever possible. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 07:51, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

@Emmentalist I agree with @Softlavender on its inclusion considering it was reportedly a "for-cause" termination (which is unusual) Ptrnext (talk) 03:06, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for taking the time, @Ptrnext Fair enough. All the best, Emmentalist (talk) 18:51, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Emmentalist

I came to the talk page for the same reason. As an avid wiki reader, this seemed jarring to put the firing in the lede. I don't see this in many other articles unless their firing was the result of a crime, etc. Wikipedia doesn't put when politicians are voted out in the lede, when people die, etc. It's just out of place in the lede and belongs in the career section. Since there's been no discussion on this since 2022 I'm going to go ahead and make the change to improve NPOV. PseudoNova (talk) 21:20, 17 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 October 2022

"successor=" -> "successor=Elon Musk VenusOnWiki (talk) 13:44, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Change the successor to Elon Musk.

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:46, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

In progress: An editor is implementing the requested edit. Didn't realize who this page was for. Changing now. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:48, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

 Done ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 13:50, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

 Undone: This request has been undone. Apparently there's a difference between CEO and Owner. I don't really understand but eh. ― Blaze Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:19, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

NB all these detailed reports about executive shakeups, Musk firing people without even asking them to resign, are from anonymous "sources familiar with the matter." They have not been confirmed via the kind of SEC filings that a public company is obligated to issue as it reverts to private ownership. That's not to say that Musk wouldn't be so rash, or that he necessarily would follow securities laws given his history, just that the article might be getting ahead of what is definitely known. 67.180.143.89 (talk) 23:18, 28 October 2022 (UTC)

Twitter is a private company and doesn't make SEC filimgs. Reliable sources commonly quote unnamed persons familiar with the situation. That doesn't necessarily make the citation any less reliable; you are free to challenge at WP:RS if you like. Softlavender (talk) 00:07, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

Is Elon Musk currently (at least temporary) CEO of Twitter?

Some reliable sources that say he is:

• https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-10-28/musk-is-said-to-take-twitter-ceo-role-reverse-life-bans
• https://fortune.com/2022/10/28/musk-plans-name-himself-twitter-ceo-end-lifetime-bans-trump-everyone-else-insider/
• https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/10/now-in-charge-of-twitter-musk-is-expected-to-reverse-bans-including-trumps/
• https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2022/10/28/bird-is-freed-elon-musk-reportedly-takes-over-as-twitter-ceo/
• https://www.barrons.com/articles/elon-musk-twitter-51666947609
• https://www.reuters.com/technology/elon-musk-takes-over-twitter-free-speech-limits-tested-2022-10-28/

--Softlavender (talk) 05:02, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

These reports are all citing each other or anonymous sources. Anonymous sources are not always wrong, but their reliability is essentially unknowable. 67.180.143.89 (talk) 18:17, 29 October 2022 (UTC)

Bloomberg's latest update is definitive and has been added to the infobox: [4]. -- Softlavender (talk) 00:07, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

I don't see the whole article, and the part that I see says "a person familiar with the matter" who is not a Twitter representative. 67.180.143.89 (talk) 01:19, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

There is no statement that the person "is not a Twitter representative". Softlavender (talk) 02:10, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

"Twitter representatives declined to comment." Whatever Musk's status in Twitter may be, he's apparently calling the shots at all levels. 67.180.143.89 (talk) 03:38, 30 October 2022 (UTC)

According to the Form 8-K filed today, all duties of the CEO of Twitter have been eliminated. Musk owns 100% and gives orders without formalities. 67.180.143.89 (talk) 19:09, 31 October 2022 (UTC)