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MergeEdit

I propose that this article and Asian studies be merged. As both articles note: "in recent years the newer term 'Asian studies' has mostly replaced 'Oriental studies'." The content of "Oriental studies" is more comprehensive ("Asian studies" is a stub) so I propose to: 1) Add the content of the "Asian studies" article to this article, 2) make "Asian studies" a redirect to "Oriental studies," 3) move this article to Asian studies (over redirect), and 4) revise the lead of the article and edit for consistency. "Oriental studies" would then be a redirect to the merged article "Asian studies." If there general agreement to do this, I will complete this move on July 10, 2010. Sunray (talk) 17:06, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Please discuss here. Sunray (talk) 17:18, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
I do not support the merger, as the term 'Asian Studies' is only used in mainly US institutions. Like the article states the term 'Asian' is for all intent and purpose no different than 'Oriental' and a merger would just look like a US-centric absorption.Twobells (talk)

Please no personal none cited opinion!Edit

I have just removed an entire paragraph of what seems to be uncited personal research, unless you CAN cite PLEASE keep your personal ideology to yourself.Twobells (talk) 18:14, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

Yes you removed almost all the lead, which does not need citations, and whose content is amply cited below. Then you added a very POV sentence, badly expressed. What exactly are your issues here? Please explain on talk before making further changes. Johnbod (talk) 19:14, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

International congressesEdit

Multiple congresses of orientalists were held in various locations, and orientalists from all over the world gave presentations of their fieldwork in linguistics, ethnography, and other fields, we should really create separate articles about each congress and their participants.Rajmaan (talk) 19:28, 30 December 2012 (UTC)

1894 Geneva Orientalist CongressEdit

Sources on presentations during the event

http://books.google.com/books?id=0MMVAAAAYAAJ&pg=RA1-PA383#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=uGAaAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA383#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=JcoUAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA147#v=onepage&q&f=false

http://books.google.com/books?id=EGbQAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA87#v=onepage&q&f=false

Rajmaan (talk) 06:18, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

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Proposed merge of Asian studies with Oriental studiesEdit

Per the articles, Asian studies is the term used usually in North America and Australia for what in Europe is known as Oriental studies. WP:MULTIPLENAMES says that articles should be about concepts, not names, so these pages should be located at the same place. I'm proposing that "Asian studies" be the destination, since my sense is that "Oriental studies" is becoming an increasingly unfashionable term with racist connotations, but that might just be my perspective given my geographical background. If necessary, we can separate out the discussion on what the title should be, but that shouldn't muddy the need for a merge. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 15:24, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

hell breaks loose? - I would strongly suggest they are kept separate. The collapsing of the two is fraught with multiple issues well beyond the capacity of a few wikipedia editors to resolve. The higher education system in Australia is collapsing and the asian studies departments in most universities have gone, but the notion that oriental studies is even connected is problematic, however well intentioned the suggested merge is. JarrahTree 15:43, 22 July 2021 (UTC)
Closing, given the uncontested objection and no support. Klbrain (talk) 15:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
@Klbrain, I think that's premature. There's been only one response, which did not provide a policy-based rebuttal to the merge rationale. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 17:06, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
My view is that objection was based on a policy argument. They directly disputed your claim that WP:MULTIPLENAMES applies, an argument has that has stood uncontested for over 3 months. Given that they argue that the topics are distinct; that would mean that there is no policy argument for the merge. The equivalence of the subjects is also contested at Talk:Asian studies#Opening description by Twobells. No harm in waiting a bit longer for comments though; I'd still argue for a close with no merge. Klbrain (talk) 17:47, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
It's not enough for there to be a disputed minor distinction, which I'd expect given that academic topics on race inevitably have sensitive terminology. Per WP:BROADCONCEPT (a guideline), A term with many related meanings should be presented as an article on the broadest understanding of the term. It also speaks specifically to overlapping geographic designations: Varying uses for broad geographic terms can be discussed in the context of an article describing the overall agreement of which areas definitely fall within that designation, and which areas are only occasionally described as falling with that designation, for certain purposes. Both articles currently define the fields the same way—as the study of Asia—so if they are to be kept separate, we'd need to establish a distinction and establish that it's meaningful enough that the articles should not be merged.
Regarding participation, I'll issue an invite to relevant wikiprojects. {{u|Sdkb}}talk 18:09, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose There are sufficient differences in usage, & the 2 articles are I think adequately inter-linked. It is not true that"Asian studies is the term used usually in North America and Australia for what in Europe is known as Oriental studies" - do we say this somewhere? Both terms are used everywhere, with differences, and with Asian studies now more common. Johnbod (talk) 18:30, 17 November 2021 (UTC)