Talk:October Revolution
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The October "Revolution" wasn't a revolution per-se edit
It was a coup d'état. Russians actually held a democratic election after the actual, February Revolution. And the Bolsheviks lost in it, as in, they didn't get enough support to rule. So they overthrew the democratically elected government a few months later. That is a coup d'état. It is called a revolution only out of courtesy and a historiographic/political tradition. Erasing what went down in November 1917 and branding it as a "revolution of the people" was also very important for the nascent Soviet Union. Hence the naming—the October Revolution—as reinforced by Soviet institutions. LordParsifal (talk) 10:27, 13 February 2022 (UTC)
- @LordParsifal Regardless of the accuracy, it is definitely the term's WP:COMMONNAME. Kinda like how French Fries are actually from Belgium, but everyone calls them French so that's their name. So short of a re-imagining of the term in the public mind, I don't imagine we should change it either. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 06:11, 14 February 2022 (UTC)
- @CaptainEek I am not talking about renaming this article at all. Rather, the elaboration in the lead where it's still described as a revolution. That is factually incorrect.LordParsifal (talk) 05:30, 15 February 2022 (UTC)
- Rabinowitch debunked the coup narrative. It was a coup in the sense that it was largely planned and executed by the Bolshevik leadership rather than a spontaneous revolutionary movement, but one with a lot of support, and in which local Soviets were often ahead of the leadership in calling for the overthrow of the Provisinal Government.
- For instance nobody calls the February Revolution and the establishment of the PG a 'coup' even though the same arguments could apply to it. As the PG essentially came to power through a constitutional 'coup' by old elites in the Imperial Duma CamelUSSR (talk) 12:20, 6 March 2024 (UTC)
Err, wrong. Revolutions are by definition popular and stemming from the people, "the population" this is also the definition that Wikipedia itself puts forward. A coup differs from a revolution in that it's covert and carried out against the will of the people. A coup d'etat isn't a revolution. LordParsifal (talk) 06:24, 6 March 2022 (UTC)
- If that it was a coup is so apparent, can you provide some reliable sources that back that up? CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 08:55, 6 March 2022 (UTC)