Talk:Null result

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This page could use correction -- from somebody who understands what the original author was trying to say. Possibly the author was not a native speaker of English. P0M

Comment from textEdit

I am removing the following comment (not mine) from the article text:

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Kdau 00:31, 2005 Jan 4 (UTC)

Just to follow up, see Annus Mirabili Papers - Special_relativity. Einstein was aware of experiments to detect the aether. Quote:
the unsuccessful attempts to discover any motion of the earth relatively to the "light medium," suggest that the phenomena of electrodynamics as well as of mechanics possess no properties corresponding to the idea of absolute rest.

Nullus ResultarumEdit

there's something fishy about that Latin. Is it perhaps actually nulla resultarum? --Iustinus 02:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I don't think nulla is the proper term there, but I also take issue with the translation. Nullus is the singular and nulla the plural, so using 'nulla' would give 'nothings' as a result. Furthermore, a quick look around at various Latin online dictionaries turns up no matches for any form of resulta. Of course this means little to me as some of these same sites lack words I learned when younger. There is a verb, resulto, but it means to echo or rebound. Even so, -arum is an improper ending for a verb - it's the genitive plural of the first latin declension - so if we presume resulta is a little-known first declension noun, nullus resultarum would translate literally to nothing of the results which sounds kind of silly. Latin adjectives take the ending of the noun they modify so if resulta were an adjective it would be nullus resultus. That also sounds silly, but latin can be a silly language sometimes.
So I'm not sure where this came from, but I think it's rather inaccurate.
--Mr.Dave 04:42, 20 April 2006 (GMT)

"general" meaning?!Edit

The claim that "Generally, a null result is a result which is null (nothing): that is, the absence of an observable result" is incompatible with the definitions as used in statistics, science logic and law; thus I doubt that it's correct. I'll remove it if it isn't backed up by a citation in the coming week. Harald88 21:24, 26 April 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Please don't do so unless you have proper references to justify your change. --Philosophus 04:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Philosophus, obviously you aren't familiar with the Wikipedia rules: please read the Wikipedia rules for inclusion WP:OR, WP:V. What can't be traced must be deleted, especially when (as is here the case) it contradicts sourced information (even a banner exists to put attention to such defects). Harald88 21:03, 28 April 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Err, I may have worded that poorly. Since that is the current definition listed, I meant that you shouldn't change it without having proper references for your replacement, since otherwise we would be in the same situation. Removing it without adding something in its place would be very difficult. Also, please take a look at other editors' contributions before accusing them of ignorance of policy. Unfortunately, my edits to the Aetherometry debate no longer show up, as the talk pages have been deleted. --Philosophus 23:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I see no problem in replacing this erroneous paraphrase by one that is based on the given definitions in the article, nor do I have a difficulty with the wording. But you're right (and I had not noticed yet) that nothing is sourced. I remember having seen a source (that's why I know which definition errs), and I'll try to find it back and include it. Harald88 06:50, 1 May 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

If this article were accurate...Edit

... it would result in an unspecified program critical mass ejection error! -- Chris 18:13, 5 November 2006 (UTC)Reply[reply]

null hypothesisEdit

I've changed the article from saying that a null result is evidence for the null hypothesis, to just saying that it fails to reject the null hypothesis. For example, a null result may arise simply because the sample size was too small. — Alan 19:36, 6 August 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

String DetectionEdit

Can a mention of the size of certain aetheric strings in string theory and it's null result in detection? The characteristic length scale of strings is thought to be on the order of the Planck length. --J. D. Redding 11:36, 3 August 2013 (UTC)Reply[reply]


(moved the discullion abut the phrase The term is popularly given as the translation of the scientific Latin nullus resultarum, meaning "no consequence", but this is actually grammatically incorrect and not the phrase's origin. The correct Latin would be nullus resultus. from my talk page here. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:36, 25 July 2019 (UTC))Reply[reply]

I know the rules of Wikipedia, and I know that Wikipedia pages need refs, but I think you are reverting my edits unjustly here. The original page had the explanation, which I fixed. You shouldn't just remove the entire mention of it. Evidently people agree with my point (not that that matters much here).

You removed the section yourself with no refs, you know. I'm sure it shouldn't be that way. Please, if you are going to revert my edits, give it constructive change- all you've done is remove content which should be there.

Gratias. Issacus Divus (talk) 05:29, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Issacus Divus: You may be know the rules, but you do not understand their purpose. A huge problem wikipedia created is propagating wrong and even fake information taken from early unreferenced wikipedia articles and spreading over internet like fire. Yes, "null result" may be "nullus resultus" in Latin, just as as me being Stanislaus Lemus. But this does not mean that the word was derived from Latin. I found no evidence. If you have references for this happening, you are very welcome, otherwise, please do not add unreferenced information into wikipedia. Deinde coeli enarrant gloriam wikipedia. Staszek Lem (talk) 17:46, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Staszek Lem: If you thoroughly read my edit, you would see that I am not claiming that nullus resultus is the source of the saying. All I did was correct the original wrong source. Before I edited it, it said that it came from something it didn't. Are you understanding what I'm saying? I never claimed that nullus resultus was the source of the phrase. Issacus Divus (talk) 19:28, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
@Issacus Divus: In this case Latin (together Greek and Polish) is irrelevant, unless reliable sources discuss the issue. By the way, I don't have to thoroughly read unreferenced text to see that is is unreferenced. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:36, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
P.S. Please discuss articles in articles' talk pages, where other people may join the discussion. Staszek Lem (talk) 19:37, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]
"We don’t delete the text just because the writing can be improved. We don’t delete the texts; we let them be improved".

I never made an unreferenced claim. I only corrected the original material. I do hope someone else sees this.

Issacus Divus (talk) 19:49, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Meaning you are far from understanding what referencing means. You did make an unreferenced claim, actually a piece of original research, quoted at the top of this section. That you found "nullus resultarum" at a couple of dubious websites (which, judging by timestamps, most probably blindly copied it from wikipedia) not at all means it is "popularly given as". Staszek Lem (talk) 20:39, 25 July 2019 (UTC)Reply[reply]