Talk:Noose

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The knot is tied by taking ones dick and wrapping it in Christmas gift wrap. Once this step has been accomplished, the individual must hail the almighty Lord Cthulhu while playing Achy Breaky Heart by Billy Rae Cyrus. once this has been achieved, the individual must set him/herself ablaze and run around naked chanting the Old Testament of the Holy Bible. Finally, one must take the sacred rope of his/her mother's anal beads and throw them into the grave of Joan Rivers while singing I'm a little Teapot. The noose should now be tied tightly and securely, ready to be hung from your front porch to show them negros/colored folk/hood rats you ain't no common white folk.

Merger proposal

These two articles are of the same topic and should be merged — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.138.35.25 (talk) 14:05, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

I agree, but I don't know how to do this myself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.233.184.238 (talk) 22:40, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

A hangman's knot is a type of noose; a noose is not necessarily a hangman's knot. They should not be merged. 72.200.151.13 (talk) 19:21, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Oppose, for same reasons stated by 72.200.151.13 above. See reply below to more recent merge request for additional discussion. --Dfred (talk) 16:44, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Comments

I may be wrong, but this is traditionally refered to as a half-hitch. A noose and a hangmans knot are used interchangably for what Wikipedia lists as the hangman's knot. Rarely you'll find that a noose refers to any slipknot. - Dastal 01:26, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

That's what I thought too (hence my note at the top of the article linking to the actual noose) but plenty of people seem to disagree. Maybe it's an american word or something? Ojw 19:52, 6 December 2005 (UTC)

'A couple of noose incidents?' Anyone got any more info than that? And why is this copied and pasted from AP?144.96.18.206 21:12, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Growing up in the Midwest (60's) the noose was never associated with hanging blacks. I believe this is regional and while terrible should not condemn the noose which was a symbol of justice over the criminal. A tall tree and a short rope was a way of dealing with local crime during a period of our countries history when frontier justice was shaping our nations future. Twisted distortions of this was regional not nationwide. Were black men hung? No doubt, but many more white men met their maker swinging from the noose in the name of justice. To allow the noose to be perverted into a symbol of racial hate when in fact it served as a symbol of justice for so many years is a sign of our pandering times. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bheath6023 (talk • contribs) 15:43, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

worst page ever

srsly. Politics has taken this over -- And poorly organized and sourced politics at that. I'm going to try to reorganize everything here, restore old sections, and cut out the superfluous sections. 139.102.239.12 (talk) 21:04, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Changes I've made: removed references to symbology not related to the noose; restored picture which was deleted three months ago; removed analysis of "hate crime" which is original research, and belongs on the "hate crime" wiki page (statistics as well); removed references to capital punishment statutes, which belong on the "capital punishment" wiki page.

However, the intimidation incidents still need to be sourced, and I don't feel like doing it. 139.102.239.12 (talk) 21:39, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

-- It's amazing. I'm gone for two weeks and every piece of information directly related to the knot has been deleted and replaced with an essay on hate crimes.

...again.

This requires a revert. If you are going to add information on intimidation incidents please do not delete important information, and please create a separate section for more specific details that do not fit in with the overview. 139.102.239.12 (talk) 08:42, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Tarbuck knot

There are three articles that probably should be merged into noose; Tarbuck knot, Running bowline, and Hangman's knot. Each of these is a "noose" and is pretty much a stub on their own aside from Hangman's knot, which needs some trimming to make it encyclopedic. Merging into noose seems the best way to achieve an article that is complete, encyclopedic, and not fragmented to the reader searching for information on this topic. Chrisw80 (talk) 19:11, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi Chrisw80!

While I do think that the stubbiness of these articles should be addressed, I do not think their merger into Noose is the way to go.

Below are some comments about about the categorization of Nooses/Running knots/Slip knots. But on the specific topic of the Tarbuck knot I think it is probably better described as a friction knot or climbing knot rather than a true noose. In particular, its intended purpose of resisting collapse of the loop in the manner of a friction knot until a shock load is applied should probably exclude it from the category of nooses.

As a general comment I think there's some room for improvement in the terminology used to categorize articles relating to Nooses, Running Knots, and Slip knots. Actually the introduction to ABOK Chapter 13 "The Noose" provides an overview of how Ashley viewed these terms. I suspect terminology has perhaps drifted a bit, but it still provides a fairly coherent nomenclature. This discussion would probably also be suited for Category talk:Running knots...

A Noose or snare, sometimes called a Running Knot, is a variety of Loop Knot that is tied in hand, and, when placed around an object, renders and constricts when the rope is pulled on. It serves a purpose similar to a snug hitch, but a hitch is tied directly to its obect. Captain John Smith mentions the Noose in 1627 but the name is probably older. The knot itself is undoubtedly prehistoric since it would be one of the first knots required by mankind for snaring animals and birds needed for food. The most common use of the Noose is the commencement of a parcel lashing.

The Noose is sometimes called a Running Knot, but the Running Knot may be any one of three things: either a Noose, a Slip Knot or a hitch; while a Noose is just one thing: a knot at the end of a rope that tightens when hauled on. Any loop becomes a Noose if a bight is rove a short distance through it.

In parcel tying and in pack lashing the Noose should loosen easily when pull is slackened. In lassoing and snaring the Noose should tighten freely, without any binding whatsoever. But the Hangman's Noose, although it must run smoothly, need not run easily, since it is already adjusted before being put to work.

There are two types of Nooses. One is formed by reeving a bight through a rigid loop which is tied in the running end, such as the Running Bowline. Any loop of Chapter 11 ["Single Loop Knots"] may be employed as the base for a Noose of this kind. The method is pictured near the top of page 204. The other kind is a single homogeneous knot such as the Hangman's Knot (#1119). This latter type generally can be spilled without untying after it has been removed from its object. . .

—Clifford W. Ashley, ABOK, p. 203.

--Dfred (talk) 18:02, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

All very good points. My first thoughts are that perhaps these knots should be spoken of in their own section of the article (briefly) and then a link at the top of each section pointing to the main article, that would seem to follow the MOS guidelines and would help fill out the article with relevant information. As I'm coming into this purely as a general Wikipedian and as someone with little experience with knots, I definitely need help with getting terminology correct. Does this all seem reasonable, and if so, are you willing to help out? If we're not going to merges, then I can work on creating the sections with the links and brief descriptions, and yourself (or someone else) can do some terminology fixes? Chrisw80 (talk) 19:52, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Running bowline

There are three articles that probably should be merged into noose; Tarbuck knot, Running bowline, and Hangman's knot. Each of these is a "noose" and is pretty much a stub on their own aside from Hangman's knot, which needs some trimming to make it encyclopedic. Merging into noose seems the best way to achieve an article that is complete, encyclopedic, and not fragmented to the reader searching for information on this topic. Chrisw80 (talk) 19:12, 14 February 2016 (UTC)