Talk:Newspeak

Modern use

This article needs mentioning of modern use of the term newspeak for talk that is deliberately confusing or deceiving about issues unrelated to Orwell [1] . Agnerf (talk) 10:33, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Why is there a "reliant on primary sources" tag on this page?

Orwell created newspeak for his novel, the only dead set things about newspeak are from 1984 - being the primary source. Examples of modern usage don't use the primary source, and that's not a problem. They aren't related to what newspeak actually is though.

Clamless, There is secondary scholarship *on* Orwell's newspeak though - and it is missing from this article. The tag states that the article relies too much on 1984, which is correct imo. Mvbaron (talk) 19:49, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Mvbaron, where might this secondary scholarship be? I'd love to cite it in the page so I can get that awful tag removed. There might be a poor high schooler who can't cite this page because of that tag, I won't stand for it. Clamless (talk)

here for example: [2] :) --Mvbaron (talk) 20:26, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

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doubt

why is there the expression "staccato and monotonous", with "staccato" which is an italian word? Is it correct? Mercantedicose (talk) 10:19, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

"Staccato" is a musical term which is fairly well known in English. AnonMoos (talk) 20:17, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

Slang

Rather disingenuously, Orwell does not account for slang, or words arising spontaneously from its speakers and not officially endorsed. Even though words like memory hole are in free use within Minitrue itself, while obviously not authorised as Newspeak words. To say nothing of the repurposing of pre-existing words to yield new meanings. This is an obvious flaw within the scheme of Newspeak as a controlled language. Are there any scholarly explorations of this subject? Nuttyskin (talk) 17:31, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Orwell just says it's a "nickname". In any case, as said in the Appendix: "In the year 1984 there was not as yet anyone who used Newspeak as his sole means of communication, either in speech or writing. The leading articles in The Times were written in it, but this was a tour de force which could only be carried out by a specialist." AnonMoos (talk) 03:06, 21 January 2024 (UTC)