Talk:Nazi Germany

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 12 December 2023

The Motto of Nazi Germany was "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer", which means "One People, One Realm, One Leader." Shouldn't Country Infoboxes include Official Mottos? Ironzombie39 (talk) 21:45, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

It was never an official motto. It was more a rallying cry or slogan. — Diannaa (talk) 22:23, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Map

I believe the map of Germany-controlled territories at the end of 1942 is not good. Albania, Yugoslavia and Greece were occupied at the time by the Wehrmacht and that is not reflected in the map. 108.4.229.56 (talk) 16:07, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Albania ,Yugoslavia and Greece were under still Italian occupation in that year. They will be under full German control in 1943 after Italy's surrender. Jheeeeeeteegh (talk) 03:51, 5 March 2024 (UTC)

Reference and geo coordinates

We need a reference for Nazi Germany, officially known as the German Reich until 1943, later the Greater German Reich, is the term used by historians to describe the German state Why should a coordinate in Berlin ( which one) be the coordinate of the "NS-Staat", please delete the coordinates Oursana (talk) 22:51, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

• Coordinates are common practice for countries.
• Nazi Germany is used per WP:COMMONNAME (common as in recognizable)

Do you have a specific request for an edit regarding referencing the name? JackTheSecond (talk) 23:39, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for your quick response. I cannot see why a coordinate in Berlin is given for Nazi Germany to compare with the coordinate of the United Kingdom or Germany in the middle of the country. Interesting enough, there are no coordinates for "German Reich".

I ask for a reference for the statement, that Nazi Germany is the term used by historians to describe the German state in that period. This very outstanding absolute statement needs citation to be kept in the article. I doubt that historians exclusively or mainly use this unofficial naming. Oursana (talk) 01:21, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

I checked three books (Evans, Beevor, Shirer) and did not see it in use. We shouldn't say historians use the term unless we've got at least one who does so. The wording was not present when the article passed GA. I took it out for the time being. We can re-add it if a source is later found. — Diannaa (talk) 02:22, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 24 March 2024

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Venex yt1 (talk) 08:00, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

German conquests and the Second World War

Nazi conquests began in 1938 with the annexation of Austria, followed in 1939 by the annexation of half of the former Czechoslovakia. The part taken corresponds to today's Czech Republic.

September 1, 1939 marks the start of the Second World War with the German invasion of Poland. On September 3, 1939, France and the United Kingdom declared war on Germany to help Poland. The USSR, allied with Germany, invaded Poland, which capitulated on October 6, 1939. It was then divided between Germany and the Soviet Union at the border between present-day Poland and Belarus.

On December 2, 1939, the USSR invaded Finland, and Germany deployed troops to support Finland. The invasion ended in March 1940.

On April 9, 1940, Germany invades Denmark, which capitulates after 6 hours.

On April 10, 1940, Germany invades Norway, which loses almost all its territory except for a part in the north.

On May 11, 1940, Germany invaded Luxembourg, the Netherlands and Belgium, then France, in order to bypass the Maginot Line set up by France. On July 10, 1940, France surrendered and was divided into an occupied zone and a free zone. Meanwhile, Norway was fully occupied and governed by Germany.

On April 6, 1941, Germany invaded the former Yugoslavia, which capitulated on the 18th.

On April 7 Germany invades Greece, which capitulates in early June 1941.

On June 21, 1941, Germany invades the USSR.

On November 11, 1942, Germany reclaimed a large part of Free France, and the rest went to the Italians.

On September 10, 1943, Germany annexed Italy, which had suffered an American landing, enabling Germany to reach its territorial goal of 3.35 million km2.

Biggest extent of germany in between september 1943 and october 1943

But after that, Germany suffered nothing but heavy military defeats, and with the arrival of the Allies in Berlin and Hitler's help, it was forced to capitulate on May 8, 1945.

What do you want to change? Slatersteven (talk) 10:30, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Looks like a bad bot edit to me, looking at the links in the markup. JackTheSecond (talk) 10:54, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

This material is already covered (with sources) in the article. Also, some of it is incorrect — Diannaa (talk) 16:25, 25 March 2024 (UTC)

Nazi Germany

so, yes fascism does exist, but this is the nazi state not the "fascist state", it seems to imply a own form of government its possible that i am mistaken and am open to a diffrent perspective anyhow such a bold claim needs citations its possible that nazi germany could informally called a fascist state but no "fascist state" stand alone concept Gooduserdude (talk) 17:52, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Nazism is a form of fascism. Slatersteven (talk) 17:59, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

yes Nazism is indeed a form of fascism, still it does not justify the specific edit, fascism is a form of nationalism (albeit a far-right and racial ultranationalist one) does it that mean we should call nazi germany a fascist nationalist state? as i will repeat since you seem to miss my above point, such a bold claim needs citations its possible that nazi germany could informally called a fascist state but no "fascist state" stand alone concept Gooduserdude (talk) 18:12, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@Diannaa:(you seem to have edit this page quite frequently and an admin), meybe you can come to this discussion? meybe if such a stand alone concept exists, it could be a new article Fascist state (currently a redirect) otherwise why should an informal term be used in the infobox as a government type? Gooduserdude (talk) 18:30, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

Why do you say "fascism" is an informal term? I don't think that's so.

I see that in the body of the article we describe Nazi Germany as fascist, sourced to Spielvogel (2016). Our article Nazism notes that "Nazism is a form of fascism, with disdain for liberal democracy and the parliamentary system" and offers four citations, one of which is the same work by Spielvogel. The Spielvogel citation contains a quote: "Nazism was only one, although the most important, of a number of similar-looking fascist movements in Europe between World War I and World War II." So the decscription as it being a fascist state is okay to keep in my opinion. — Diannaa (talk) 18:54, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

@Diannaa: my concern was not fascism being a informal term, fascism is an ideology (or group of ideologies), but "fascist state" implies a specific form of government, i meant "fascist state" is informal, since its while its indeed used by historians (not so often at all https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C5&q=Fascist+state&oq=fa) i cannot find material for a Fascist state article, hence the term is informal not a seperate form of goverment Gooduserdude (talk) 19:01, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

If you really want, we could link only 'fascist' but I think you're making a bigger deal out of this than it is. Something can be 'fascist'. That's a trivial statement. JackTheSecond (talk) 19:13, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

ok JackTheSecond is right, it does not have to be a bigger deal than it is. Something can indeed be called fascist, this concludes this discussion. Gooduserdude (talk) 19:56, 24 April 2024 (UTC)