Talk:National Day for Truth and Reconciliation

Statutory Holiday? edit

As far as I can tell - although acknowledgement and participation in Orange Shirt day is growing - this is not a stat holiday. Schools are not closed, etc.

Please add a source.

The article already contains a source. Winnipeg Free Press. Here's two more bonus sources. Canadian Geographic CBC. You'll note that the creation of Orange Shirt Day as a statutory holiday occurred earlier this month. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:04, 22 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
I saw that it was added as a stat, but I believe it is currently only for federal employees and not for all citizens, which is what I believe is confusing. Walter Görlitz (talk) 16:45, 22 June 2021 (UTC)Reply
It's for federal employees and federally-regulated workplaces. List of federally-regulated workplaces. This puts it on par with other federal holidays, such as Easter Monday, and Remembrance Day (for people in Ontario, Quebec, and Manitoba, where it isn't a provincial stat), and Boxing Day (except in Ontario and New Brunswick, where it is a provincial stat). NorthernFalcon (talk) 19:34, 22 June 2021 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 1 August 2021 edit

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The result of the move request was: no consensus. This can be revisited once a more obvious COMMONNAME is established. ATM, there is no consensus in this discussion. If it were only a matter of a week or two, I may have just left it open. But waiting until the next iteration of the day, and then for all the media coverage about the day to percolate, is too long. I suggest starting a new RM a few weeks after September 30 this year.(non-admin closure) — Shibbolethink ( ) 11:16, 24 August 2021 (UTC)Reply


Orange Shirt DayNational Day for Truth and Reconciliation – This is the official name for the new federal Canadian statutory holiday, which happens to be based on Orange Shirt Day. I'd argue that moving the article to the official government title is more appropriate, since its federal status makes it more notable by default, and it is a more tonally-appropriate name — "Orange Shirt" day sounds too flippant. It is also the first new Canadian federal holiday in decades, and all other articles for Canadian federal holidays use their official title, or an approximation thereof. As it stands now, even though National Day for Truth and Reconciliation redirects to this article, you cannot find this Wikipedia article when searching on Bing, Google or Yahoo for "National Day of Truth and Reconciliation".— Crumpled Firecontribs 16:23, 1 August 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Jack Frost (talk) 11:10, 9 August 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Orange Shirt Day edit

The Ontario government has decided that Ornage Shirt Day will not be a statutory holiday in Canada. Cameronlani02 (talk) 00:32, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Not really, they've decided it will not be a provincial holiday: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ontario-september-30-holiday-1.6169292 . Walter Görlitz (talk) 04:20, 10 September 2021 (UTC)Reply

Mortality Rate edit

There's a misunderstanding of the mortality rate figure. As far as I'm aware, 30% means that 30% of the students who enroll at the school will die before they graduate, not that they will die at the end of the year. 30% is also an average figure, or a conservative approximation. If we were talking about the worst-case scenario, some schools had mortality rates of 69%. I'll check my sources when I'm done work for the day and if my memory is incorrect I'll post a correction here later this weekend. NorthernFalcon (talk) 16:28, 8 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

  • This source says that Peter Bryce said that 25% of all students who had attended a Western Canada residential school before 1907 had died. This backs up what I thought, that the mortality rate was over a student's lifetime at school, not an annual rate. Peter Bryce stated that tuberculosis was the primary cause, but also blamed the schools for creating conditions that allowed tuberculosis to kill so many despite the fact that they should have known better. NorthernFalcon (talk) 21:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)Reply

Wilbur Sargunaraj YouTube video edit

Can someone please explain how does the Wilbur Sargunaraj YouTube video passes WP:ELNO criteria? Walter Görlitz undid my removal saying it "seems like a good video", but "good video" is not a standard listed at WP:ELYES or WP:ELMAYBE.

This video is neither comprehensive, nor from a reliable source. It's a quasi advertisement for Bob's company "Indigenous Corporate Training Inc." (and the promotion seems to be working - when I had removed the link it had <1k views, now it has 12,000+ views thanks to Wikipedia). 205.178.163.3 (talk) 15:35, 17 November 2021 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 27 September 2022 edit

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 06:16, 4 October 2022 (UTC)Reply


Orange Shirt DayNational Day for Truth and Reconciliation – It has been over a year since the last discussion for this, and I think it's worth reopening. Since then, the holiday has become more widespread and mainstream, and the name "National Day for Truth and Reconciliation" is not only the official name, but is also the more commonly used term (in my experience). As User:Crumpled_Fire argued over a year ago, "moving the article to the official government title is more appropriate, since its federal status makes it more notable by default, and it is a more tonally-appropriate name — "Orange Shirt day" sounds too flippant. It is also the first new Canadian federal holiday in decades, and all other articles for Canadian federal holidays use their official title, or an approximation thereof." https://www.canada.ca/en/canadian-heritage/campaigns/national-day-truth-reconciliation.html C.monarchist28 (talk) 04:28, 27 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

Support - I still hear orange shirt day, but National Day for Truth and Reconciliation is more common now. Unbeatable101 (talk) 19:03, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
Support It's the official name MrMemer33 (talk) 23:17, 1 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

Should I move it to “National Day for Truth and Reconciliation”? It is technically the official name. Super yoshi013021 (talk) 11:17, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

  • Weak Support I'm still hearing Orange Shirt Day as more common in colloquial usage than National Day for Truth and Reconciliation, but it's a lot closer now than it was last year--I'd say 60-40 in favour of Orange Shirt Day--and with National Day for Truth and Reconciliation being the official name, I'd say that pushes it into weak support territory, although I think we can't go wrong with either outcome. NorthernFalcon (talk) 15:22, 29 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • Support - National Day for Truth and Reconciliation is now being used in most contexts now due to its official status.Yeeno (talk) 02:30, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • Support the last RM was opposed because of POV reasons - one editor denied the event was about truth, and WP:IDONTLIKEIT. Ribbet32 (talk) 04:27, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • Support It's the official name, and now is being widely used even in casual contexts. Ajshul<talk> 13:11, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply
  • Support Its the WP:COMMONNAME used for the day. The last discussion resulted in no consensus on the same premise that "Orange Shirt Day" had more Google results. The reverse is now true. I get 13.3 million results on Google for "National Day for Truth and Reconciliation", and only 2.96 million for "Orange Shirt Day". Leventio (talk) 23:58, 30 September 2022 (UTC)Reply

:Move and Redirect Orange Shirt Day to National Day for Truth and Reconciliation. It is the official name, and consensus has been reached. C.monarchist28 (talk) 04:45, 1 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

I'm having some trouble moving "Orange Shirt Day" to "National Day for Truth and Reconciliation". An error shows up when I try to move the page, since "National Day for Truth and Reconciliation" already exists, however only as a redirect to Orange Shirt Day. If anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated! C.monarchist28 (talk) 16:49, 1 October 2022 (UTC)Reply

You can't close your own RM. An uninvolved editor will do that when a consensus is reached. Please see WP:RM. 162 etc. (talk) 16:58, 1 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
Never knew that. My apologies, and thanks for the info! C.monarchist28 (talk) 17:15, 1 October 2022 (UTC)Reply
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Calendar Maybe edit

So, which day is Orange Shirt Day anyway? Maybe we need a calendar? Which source tells us the schedule? Sorry, I'm new here and I don't know which day it is. 198.52.147.29 (talk) 15:17, 22 September 2023 (UTC)Reply

Wiki Education assignment: Human Rights of Indigenous Peoples edit

  This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 24 August 2023 and 15 December 2023. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): Knelsonfaith (article contribs). Peer reviewers: Elliekearns, KittyJolee.

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