Talk:Muzio Clementi

Recordings

These should not be listed as recordings, because they are midi files, and are not recordings of a performer. 76.22.79.194 23:57, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Italian or English or arabic?

Clementi lived in England from the age of 14, and, I believe, was a UK subject. All of his compositional work was done in England. Should he not be categorised as an English composer?<-----unsigned comment

Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style_(biographies) states:

The opening paragraph should have:

• Name(s) and title(s), if any (see, for instance, also Wikipedia:Naming conventions (royalty and nobility));
• Dates of birth and death, if known (see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (dates and numbers)#Dates of birth and death);
• Context (location, nationality, or ethnicity);
  • In most modern-day cases this will mean the country of which the person is a citizen or national (according to each nationality law of the countries), or was a citizen when the person became notable.
  • Ethnicity or sexuality should not generally be emphasized in the opening unless it is relevant to the subject's notability. Similarly, previous nationalities or the country of birth should not be mentioned in the opening sentence unless they are relevant to the subject's notability.
• What the person did;
• Why the person is significant.

So, the previous poster is correct. Clementi should be listed as English. His Italian birth, of course, should be mentioned, but in the appropriate section. I am making the change.THD3 (talk) 19:27, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

cviviani I think the issue remains questionable, and would suggest to remove *any* reference to nationality as a compromise. While it is certain that Clementi worked in England, it is equally certain that he was born in Italy. I am not sure which of the two things is more relevant, therefore I would suggest just writing that Clementi was a composer. Furthermore, writing that he was English could bear the reader to think that he was born in England. —Preceding undated comment added 15:04, 14 January 2011 (UTC).

Cviviani, please refer to the article guidelines copied above. They state that the nationality of a subject (not enthicity) should appear in the article lead. This is the way is appears in every composer article, including Beethoven, Rachmaninoff, and Mozart. Listing Clementi as an English composer in the lead is not questionable, and once the reader starts on the next section, it clearly states that Clementi was born in Italy. But he did not become notable until after he'd moved to England.THD3 (talk) 19:50, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

cviviani I don't want to make a big fuss about it. The guidelines say that in most modern-day cases we should follow what you suggest, and that's fine for me - even though we should define the words "modern" and "most". The unquestionable fact remains that, although Clementi spent all his professional life in England, died there, and is buried in Westminster, he was born in Italy and thus he was Italian. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 151.95.19.249 (talk) 08:08, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

I encountered this article and found the references to nationality rather confusing. Having read this discussion, I have edited the article to read 'Italian-born', noting in the subsequent sentence that he spent most of his life in England. Had I encountered this edit initially, I wouldn't have been quite so confused. CharlieRCD (talk) 12:13, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

Charlie the "Italian-born" verbiage then noting his English residency works for me. I am hopeful this will help us avoid the kind of edit war that appeared on Chopin's article.THD3 (talk) 14:33, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

So I guess that now Chopin is French, Beethoven is Austrian, Liszt is Austrian/French/German, etc... “Clementi is English”, ridiculous. Oh, and in the german, spanish, french, russian, italian, etc wikipedia he is listed as an italian composer, just because HE WAS. Phemt666 (talk) 22:57, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

He sounds a bit Italian to me. And it seems he was born in Rome. But doesn't Wikipedia take "nationality" of a person from the country where they became notable? Martinevans123 (talk) 23:10, 13 January 2018 (UTC)

External link to the Muzio Clementi Society website

Dear Sir/Madam,

I am writing to you regarding the possibility of adding an external link to the Muzio Clementi Society website (www.clementisociety.com) from the article on Muzio Clementi in Wikipedia.

In recent times, there has been a growing interest in the work of Clementi as composer, pianist, music publisher, and instrument maker. The Muzio Clementi Society was precisely created to promote all these aspects of Clementi's career. It is a non-profit society, with sole aim to promote the image of Clementi as an outstanding musical figure of the late eighteenth - early nineteenth centuries. The website of the Muzio Clementi Society provides information on, and link-access to scholarly publications on Clementi that are available to the general public. Also of interest in the site are: an illustrated page on instruments made by Clementi & Co., a sample of mp3s of Clementi's music, and information on Clementi's work 'Selection of Practical Harmony', currently out of print.

Yours sincerely,

SylvesterYSylvesterY 17:06, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good. Link added. Graham87 15:05, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! SylvesterYSylvesterY (talk) 09:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Dates

I have need of some dates for a few more homotonal works. Can anyone fill in the blanks...?

• Clementi's piano sonata Op.39 No.3 (n.d.) [all movements in D major]
• Clementi's piano sonata Op.40 No.2 (n.d.) [all movements in B minor]
• Clementi's piano sonata Op.50 No.3 'Didone Abbandonata' (n.d.) [all movements in G minor]

Ta! Pfistermeister (talk) 09:35, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Link to mp3 files of Gradus ad Parnassum

Proposal of external link: Gradus ad Parnassum, 100 Studies (mp3)Claudio Colombo (talk) 12:42, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Contradiction

Was he born in Italy or Rome? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.79.146.130 (talk) 02:11, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Also, there seems to be contradiction about when he retired from performing. In the body of the article, under "Publishing and piano manufacturing," we find the following two statements:

 1.  In 1790 Clementi made the decision to give up his performing career, possibly in order to bolster his reputation as a composer.
 2.  In 1810 Clementi stopped concertizing in order to devote his time to composition and to piano making.

The first has a citation of MuzioClementi.com while the second has no citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.78.84.182 (talk) 21:50, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Birthday?

The article gives Clementi's birthday as January 24. I can find no citation to confirm this, although the link given to the Dizionario Biografico degli Italiani (translation here) gives Clementi's birthday as January 23. ScissorsMacGillicutty (talk)

As there's been no comment or objection, changing page to agree with the one source listing Clementi's birthday. ScissorsMacGillicutty (talk) 01:55, 29 January 2016 (UTC)

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To add to article

To add to this article: mention of Clementi's piano concerto in C major. 173.88.246.138 (talk) 18:21, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

It's listed at List of compositions by Muzio Clementi#Without opus numbers as WoO 12. Why should it be mentioned in this article as well? Or are you referring to a different work? -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 00:18, 12 November 2020 (UTC)