Talk:Muslim Mojahedin

@Iskandar323: the AFD did not give consensus for this redirect. That's because there are many groups that are described as "Muslim mojahedin". Here are some:

1)"Its leader, Abu Jandal, declared shortly thereafter that “we are Muslim mujahedin from the blessed Greater Syria"

2)"The first significant rupture since the 1991 split between Ahsan Dar and the Muslim Mujahideen occurred in 1998"

3)"The rhetorical contrast between Muslim mujahedin and their subhuman-non-Muslim Indian opponents"

4)"for crimes commited by foreign Muslim (Mujahedin) combatants"

5)"where Russian troops were attempting to exterminate Muslim mujahedin freedom fighters"

6)"During its heyday from the early 1980s thorugh 1989, many Muslim mujahedin (fighers of holy war) passed through Peshawar"

7)"The Islamic states of the Middle East, Persian Gulf, and Southwest Asia identified with the struggle of the Muslim mujahedin"

8)"Afghanistan was producing hundreds of battle hardened Muslim Mujahedin"

9)"the treat posed by the Muslim mujahedin, foreing Islamist fighters who had flocked Bonia"

10)"(although this has been eroded somewhat by the presence of international radical Muslim Mujahedin on the separatist side)"

11)"Janbaaz Force Muslim Mujahideen"

12)"All Jammu and Kashmir Patriotic Peoples Front. It was formed by Muslim Mujahedin"

13)"Occasionally the tension between the overwhelmingly Hindu sepoys - and the militantly Muslim mujahedin erupted in full"

14)"The manifesto was signed by Adnan Saadeddin, political head of the Muslim Mujahedin"

15)"Muslim mujahedin: an Aleppo based Syrian opposition group"

16)"Seven Kashmiri militant leaders, including Javed Mir and Muslim Mujahedin’s Saldauddin"

17)"It was the work of Muslim mujahedin"

18)"the party of the Muslim Mujahedin"

19)"the soviet Union and a Muslim mujahedin"

20)"Muslim Mujahedin was an islamist guerrilla group"

And there are more. While People's Mojahedin Organization of Iran is mainly known as "The Iranian Mohahedin". Also Encyclopedia Britannica describes this term in the following way [1]:

• "mujahideen, Arabic mujāhidūn (“those engaged in jihad”), singular mujāhid, in its broadest sense, Muslims who fight on behalf of the faith or the Muslim community (ummah)".

• "The term continued to be used throughout India for Muslim resistance to colonialism and the British raj, but in the 20th century the term was used most commonly in Iran and Afghanistan."

• "the name has been used rather freely, both in the press and by Islamic militants themselves, and often has been used to refer to any Muslim groups engaged in hostilities with non-Muslims or even with secularized Muslim regimes."

This matches with what the Mujahideen article also says:

• "The modern term of mujahideen referring to spiritual Muslim warriors originates in the 19th century"

For these reasons (and the closed AFD), you do not have consensus for redirecting this to the PMOI article. Fad Ariff (talk) 11:56, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

You haven't provided a single example above that uses the spelling of this page, capitalized. This redirect is for this spelling. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:11, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

You are ignoring my points. "Mojahedin" ("Mujahideen", "Mujahedin", "warrior", "fighter") is a term that has different spellings, and is sometimes used with capitals and sometimes without. The term ("Muslim Mojahedin") is generic and used for describing many different groups (see some of them above), and was never used as the PMOI's name (like others said in the deletion discussion, it was only a term that was sometimes used for describing them in the late 1970s, something that is already explained in the PMOI article). The PMOI are actually best known as the "Iranian Mojahedin" (see scholarly hits). That is why the "Muslim Mojahedin" article was deleted, and also why a "merge and redirect" did not gain consensus. So please do not edit war against consensus by redirecting this to the PMOI article. Fad Ariff (talk) 12:15, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

I'm not ignoring your points. Your points are simply irrelevant. This redirect is about THIS spelling, not related ones. Iskandar323 (talk) 14:40, 23 August 2022 (UTC)

"Iranian Mojahedin" is a much more WP:DUE redirect to the PMOI article. Either way, the spelling you are suggesting did not gain consensus for a redirect to the PMOI article. Fad Ariff (talk) 11:53, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

That is entirely irrelevant and neither here nor there, as both terms can simultaneously be redirects to the article. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:30, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

The AfD only ruled on deletion, but the earlier speedy deletion review attested the plausibility of the redirect. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:35, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

If you want to delete the redirect page or change its target, that is a whole separate discussion to be had. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:36, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

Though incidentally - that's a good call on another redirect that should already have been created. It exists now. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:41, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

The AfD did not give consensus for a redirect. Alex-h who also voted in favour of delete, wrote "a redirect isn’t a good idea because the term is also used as reference for many other groups". The same point has been laid out here by Fad Ariff with all the provided sources and examples. Iskandar323, you don't have consensus for this redirect. Iraniangal777 (talk) 04:14, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Alex-h provided no evidence to support that statement, and, as I stated, it was noted in the speedy deletion review that it was a plausible redirect, hence that was overturned. Discuss before spontaneously reverting a page that you have only just stumbled across. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:30, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

• "Muslim Mojahedin" is not al alternative name for the MEK. In fact it was never used as a name for the MEK, so a redirect to that article violates WP:RPURPOSE. The speedy deletion reviewers admitted they didn't look into this with enough detail, and said "no prejudice against AfD". The AfD then took place where the content was looked in detail, and neither a "keep", "merge", or "redirect" got consensus. All of the editors commenting here took part in the AfD, so saying "Discuss before spontaneously reverting a page that you have only just stumbled across." is WP:UNCIVIL. Iskandar, please drop it. Alex-h (talk) 17:06, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

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