Talk:Muhammad Iqbal

Semi-protected edit request on 1 July 2022

I Saw this person have popularly known as Allama Iqbal. I know lot of information about this user. So I would like to edit SonAbraham (talk) 08:11, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Yes SonAbraham (talk) 08:12, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 09:16, 1 July 2022 (UTC)

Allama Iqbal

Sir Muhammad Iqbal Kt (Urdu: 8 November 1877 – 21 April 1938), was a South Asian Muslim writer,[1][2] philosopher,[3] and politician,[4] whose poetry in the Urdu language is considered among the greatest of the twentieth century,[5][6][7][8] and whose vision of a cultural and political ideal for the Muslims of British-ruled India[9] was to animate the impulse for Pakistan.[1][10] He is commonly referred to by the honorific Allama[11] (from Persian: علامہ, romanized: ʿallāma, lit. 'very knowing, most learned').[12] 37.131.42.1 (talk) 19:50, 7 November 2022 (UTC)

Two nation theory

Oriental Aristocrat... instead of just reverting can you at least provide explanation why you are reverting? The current explanation that you have offered is refuted by WP:STONEWALL. Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 06:44, 9 April 2023 (UTC)

Here's a reference tying Iqbal and the two-nation theory. "Conceptualising Pakistan in a two nation theory format, Iqbal offered a map of the redistribution of territory forming a Muslim state comprising the north-west part of India and Bengal (Datta 2002: 5037)." 182.190.17.244 (talk) 01:15, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

@182.190.17.244: But where does the reference answers to the rebuttals made by Dawn source? Aman Kumar Goel ^(Talk) 12:20, 7 May 2023 (UTC)

References

Semi-protected edit request on 19 July 2023

The origin of 'allama' is the Arabic word علّامة (rather than saying the Persian word ...) .. source: any Arabic dictionary (even Persian dictionaries would say that). In short Change Allama[11] (from Persian: علامہ

To Allama [11] (from Arabic: علّامة

78.147.100.202 (talk) 15:42, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.

I'm afraid you need to provide the dictionary, and since it will be in either Arabic or Persian and this is English Wikipedia, you'll need to provide the translation as well. The dictionary need not be available online--it can be your paper copy at home, we'll trust you to represent it correctly, we just need to be able to verify the book itself exists. By the way, the supporting citation given in this article is from an 1884 publication, A Dictionary of Urdu, Classical Hindi, and English. The entry is:

علامه ʻallāma (p. 763) P علامه ʻallāma (for A. علامة, fr. ʻallām, q.v.), adj. Very knowing, most learned ( = ʻallām)

Which to me doesn't support whether the term derives from Arabic or Persian. The Wikipedia article Allamah doesn't say either, just gives the Arabic, Urdu and Persian words. Xan747 (talk) 22:08, 19 July 2023 (UTC)

Currently the 18th source "Understanding the Muslim mind" by Gandhi Rajmohan may not be a suitable source to be used in Wikipedia.

The source is used once in the article in "Personal Life>Background" section to confirm Iqbal's spoken languages (Urdu and Panjabi). Although the fact mentioned here in the source (regarding Iqbal's languages) may not be false or incorrect, the overall source is unreliable and non-neutral in terms of political agendas. The source is way too politically biased and lacks neutrality to be used as a proper source. The source is overall based on political and irrational agendas, personal opinions, irrationalism, lacks transparency and neutrality, somewhat provoking and xenophobic, gives wrong information about various sects and terms/phrases in Islam and does not qualify to be a proper source for any historical facts even if it may contain some actual facts. The overall source is not reliable and breaks various Wikipedia's rules to be counted as a reliable source and the book also contains plenty of original research too. The citation should be replaced by a different and more reliable citation that fits Wikipedia's rules properly. Asaduzzaman Khan Shahriar (talk) 06:21, 8 December 2023 (UTC)