Talk:List of weather records

Confused about temperatures

Shouldn't those Fahrenheit temperatures actually be Celsius, not Fahrenheit? It says for the Africa/On Earth that the highest recorded temperature Fahrenheit was 136 degrees, on the Fahrenheit scale that is not even the boiling point of water, and on the Celsius scale it is in the 50's. Though I don't understand this either, my air conditioner seemed to think Fahrenheit was the scale in which water freezes at 0 degrees and boils at 100 as well. What's going on? The snare (talk) 13:27, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

Are you serious? You really believe that the highest recorded temperature would be ABOVE the boiling point??? 85.226.9.236 (talk) 20:55, 27 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm no temperature science guy, but I suspect that you perhaps shouldn't rely on your air conditioner for your scientific education; unless it was made in Germany or something - man, those guys are smart. Perhaps you should have a look on the internet to see if maybe somebody's written some kind of information reference database type thing. Y'know something like one of those big clever books that libraries have called encycle-peediayahs or something like that. If there is one, then maybe some people have written articles explaining all those complicated temperature systems. Man, that'd be neat. If you find one, let me know; I could do with a thing like that. But I reckon you must be right about Africa being above boiling point - that's probably why they're always going about about how they don't have any water and stuff. Kodabar (talk) 01:27, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Teneriefe air crash

Teneriefe air crash is listed at the bottom, i realise this terrible disaster was attributed to various reasons, including fog, but it is certainly not a weather record. Please could someone tell me why this is included —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.13.81.135 (talk) 00:10, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

No. Obviously nobody can. In 18 months. And I agree with the view above. And, in fact, the crash was attributed to pilot and crew error, not the fog itself. I will delete it. HiLo48 (talk) 02:21, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Unrealistic records

Most temperature records reported are completely unrealistic, recorded in non-standard conditions, most records are very old but the world has warmed a lot since than..... Seville 50°C....but Istituto nacional de meteorologia de espana claims that Seville record is 47°C and this is not europe warmest temperature:

http://www.inm.es/web/sup/ciencia/divulga/efemerides/efemerides.html

En muchas publicaciones entre ellas en los “RECORDS GUINNES”, se da como record en España los 51ºC de temperatura registrada en Sevilla el 30 de julio de 1876. Pero este dato se midió con un instrumental instalado en unas condiciones técnicas deficientes, en la cúpula de la Iglesia de la Anunciación, donde estaba el termómetro en una garita tipo facistol, protección conocida también como del tipo Montsouris.

This is just an example.

Europe record is for riodades, portugal: 50,5 in 4 august 1881. In which conditions? I don´t know. But the record is registered and available. It was measured by a meteorological station ( not on a church I guess). If wanted more data about this I can provide. Cordoba or ecija maybe reach around the same on one year or another, who knows? Maybe that 51 is false but how about the other 50 for seville? False too? Any scientific arguments or just some meteorologists opinions?? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.174.37.219 (talk) 00:45, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

STOP adding Riodades 50.5 as europe's highest, The World Meteorological Organization link! nor the "Instituto de Meteorologia, IP Portugal" link! as ratified it, the Portugese record is 47.4 c in 2003 and the spanish is 47.8 c in 1876. The european record is 48.0 c in athens. And stop refering to "dandantheweatherman" it's NOT a reliable source.Dabean (talk) 02:06, 14 September 2008 (UTC)

I´m seeing that you are furious, about the fact that iberian peninsula mainland valleys are much warmer than you ever thought. Just think a bit, mr, on a low valley at more than 250 km from the nearest sea breeze, surrounded by big mountains, on which the sun radiation is gathered in the «heat consuming» rocky soils, plus a much more near position in relation to North Africa. You have only 13 km of sea separating Iberian Peninsula from Africa, then you have the conditions for a european record. You can easily smell Sahara and even feel the sand from there. So you want to give more credit to Murcia´s 47,8 that was registered in 1876 (!!) just because is below your 48ºc in Athens? La Puebla de Cazalla in Spain registered 48,8, one place in Sicily, claims 48,5. So lots of places claim more than just 48ºc as european record. BY the way, I never saw Athens as having european record, but usually and fairly Seville on the same day (4/8/1881) of Riodades registered 50,0ºc ( just below Riodade´s 50,5). Riodades has a historical and functional meteorological station, while on the Seville case the temperature was measured in a Church... Danweatherman is not realiable just because he don´t put your Athens there? Ask him where he collected those data... If you are so sure, of yourself... By the way more sites refer Riodades with 50,5. Why you don´t google it. To finish I just want to let you know, that I love Greece, it´s a very particular country, specially known for it´s beautifull nights on the summer. But talking about the warmest places of europe, you should travel and research more, my friend. No one said, though, that one place is better than the other. It´s just different. Chills... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.174.37.230 (talk) 01:07, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Bullshit : La Puebla de Cazalla 48.8C is WRONG, as clearly cited by IMN of Spain, the record is a wrong data.48.5C recorded at Catenanuova, in Sicily is the CORRECT European record. Nothing in Europe can be compared with the widespread brutal heatwave of August 1999 in Sicily, all temperatures both at 850hpa and at the soil and on the air were the highest ever recorded in Europe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.24.16.80 (talk) 16:05, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I think, that some people needs to understand that we now live in the Information Era!! Those old hoaxes around Italy and Greece being the warmest countries in Europe are clearly of the past. Like those 50´s, 60´s films that were filmed in Morocco or Tunisia but entitled as in Italy or Greece. This is all propaganda for who wants attention from tourists. Some want all the attention of the world, others think that have less than they really have and live quite. But this information era is a really good moment for kicking big fat overrated asses. Not only Iberian Peninsula has the biggest temperature records as has the warmest places on average. A scientific study published on an Archaeology Magazine, that included climatology research done in Douro Valley ( Côa Archaeological Park) in Portugal, finnaly put end about if Portugal and Spain do have places that do reach 50ºc or more, do exist or not and the answer was yes! In fact, do easily reach it during the summer daily maximum peaks, in some very remote places, with about well less than 300 mm of rain per year ( there are even drier places there, but the place studied registered that data) like in Côa Valley and especially in Massueime Valley. These places are very far from the sea ( up to 180 kms- 200kms or more), are deprived of refreshing winds by big and consisten mountain systems, are rocky ( heat absorber and slow to get cooler, particularly in chalky areas)and even if so far from the sea are just around 130- 150 m above from the sea level. In fact, are quite steady, being over 30ºc on daily maximum average for months and around 40ºc on average during the warmest month of the year. This area is used by some protected species of vultures,has very important breeding places, because of it´s dry and warm climate that turn their flights much easier to maintain.

http://www.ipa.min-cultura.pt/pubs/R.../folder/01.pdf

In Revista Portuguesa de Arqueologia volume 7.número 1. 2004

Translator may be used.

Did anyone ever had a look on an Atlas Map Book? Iberian Peninsula on it´s mainland is very far from the sea and has lowlands protected by mountains. If someone wants some more data for enlightning or just for curiosity I´m happy to help and provide.

Cheers,

G. Appleton —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.174.37.213 (talk) 23:13, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

This exchange of insults is unproductive. Please be civil, all of you. Also unproductive is throwing out numbers and claims without providing any sources. There is no conspiracy: it is merely a matter of compiling reliable sources from national weather agencies; unfortunately I do not have the time to devote to researching this, but I was able to determine that the seville record is, indeed, invalid, as it was recorded with non-standard instruments according to Agencia Estatal de Meteorología. As for the most recent link above, it yields a "Site Error" message and no document. Is there another location for this you can link to? -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 03:15, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Yeah, finnaly someone has a fist to say something about insults on here. Maybe, too late of course. Right from the beginning that´s happening. No sources were given? Well I said « If someone wants some more data for enlightning or just for curiosity I´m happy to help and provide.»

So if you want any source, please do specify what you clearly WANT. Or about what. I´m not flaggering Seville record because of course that I know that wasn´t recorded at official or at accepted conditions. I was just alerting people, for some facts. I´m not worried about if people put as european record Sicily, Athens, Riodades, Seville, Romania,etc... In fact I love those countries I have some relatives from some of those countries , but I just think that people who post here are a bit drastic on their claims. I see Lybia records hardly above ( or even below...) european records, so of course I´m not a fool to think that in europe is warmer because of that. I did presented some studies conducted on the low inland of Iberian peninsula, the place that I believe to be one of the warmest in europe. In fact, I don´t see which other region in europe, would have the best conditions to hit records than the warmest far inland low valleys of Iberian Peninsula.

About the link that seems to be reluctant in working, maybe it will work here:

- http://www.meteopt.com/forum/climatologia/mais-de-50-c-em-portugal-1425-17.html

I can quote something that´s there in advance ( it´s in portuguese, please use translator):

«O PAVC localiza-se no Nordeste Português, numa zona também caracterizada pela existência de diversas fronteiras: desde logo a fronteira com Espanha, mas também as divisões administrativas, regionais, naturais e sócio culturais entre a Beira Alta e Trás-os-Montes e Alto Douro. Geomorfologicamente a área do PAVC integra-se na Meseta Ibérica, situando-se mais concretamente na Meseta Setentrional e na bacia hidrográfica do Rio Douro. Esta região possui atributos específicos que contribuem para a existência de um cluster climático, geomorfológico, orográfico e mesmo social, económico e cultural particular. De entre estes atributos destacamos as formações xistosas, o clima seco e quente e de baixa pluviosidade anual, especialmente nas zonas do vale de cotas mais reduzidas (Aubry et al., 2002a, p. 62), aonde no pico do Verão as temperaturas alcançam facilmente os 50ºC ou a pobreza dos solos que determinaram a implantação ao longo dos últimos dois milénios dum modelo de exploração económica do território baseado numa agricultura tradicionalmente assente em 3 grandes monoculturas (oliveira, amendoeira e vinha) adaptadas a estas exigentes condições.».

«Clima: A monitorização da evolução e variabilidade anual, mensal e mesmo diária dos elementos climáticos é de grande importância para a conservação da Arte do Côa. O INAG (Instituto da Água) fornece já os dados relativos à precipitação local, obtidos através das estações de medição de Escalhão e de Castelo Melhor, que permitem calcular quer as médias anuais globais de pluviosidade quer a precipitação abaixo de determinada cota, ou seja no fundo do vale. Por outro lado, faculta ainda, através da estação hidrométrica de Cidadelhe, informações acerca do volume e fluxo do caudal do Côa. Todas estas informações podem ser facilmente acedidas no endereço electrónico do INAG (www.inag.pt) e contribuem decisivamente para definir o contexto climático de intervenção dos trabalhos de conservação da Arte do Côa. Estes dados são contudo insuficientes para a caracterização integral do regime climático regional e local. De facto as informações sobre a temperatura (variações anuais, mensais e diárias entre o fundo do vale e os planaltos adjacentes; entre e nos diversos Núcleos de Arte Rupestre; numa ou em várias superfícies gravadas) são fundamentais para compreender cabalmente os contornos climáticos microlocais e das quais o Programa de Conservação não pode obviamente prescindir. Como tal, foi implantado um sistema de monitorização da temperatura e suas amplitudes que compreende também competências na medição da precipitação e da humidade relativa de modo a complementar o retrato climatérico da região que os dados fornecidos pelo INAG já possibilitam no que diz respeito às duas variáveis referidas.»

Whatever more you want, I´m happy to help and clarify. The IM service uses the Amareleja record, but it accepts that higher values are registered in some parts. It also published a work with June, July and August, daily maximum averages from some parts of Portugal. I can provide if wanted. I also have data from some spanish meteorological stations.

I hope it helps.

Cheers. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.174.37.218 (talk) 01:35, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Some people are not aware that the Attica Basin in Greece is by far the warmest place in Europe.The correct european record THAT HAS BEEN OFFICIALLY AND UNIVERSALLY ACKNOWLEDGED is 48.0 in Athens.The record is peered reviewed and adopted UNIVERSALLY and OFFICIALLY by all the serious sources...simply because the record is undisputed and recorded simultaneously in two suburbs of the Greek capital.In fact the reading was initially 48.7 and 2 years later it was rounded down to 48.0 by the National Observatory of Athens and the Greek meteorological Organisation.All the records are presented before the World Weather Organisation and after tremendous scrutiny the records are established.It takes international publications and peer reviewed data to establish a record!!!The Athenian record has passed all the credibility tests because it comes from TWO OFFICIALLY recording stations of the OFFICIAL Greek authorities!!Catenanuova record is NOT regarded in Italy as official!!Its simple —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.26.155.176 (talk) 11:09, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Attica basin is not the warmest place in Europe, by far. It´s ONE OF THE WARMEST IN SUMMER TEMPERATURES, to be more precise. There are different definitions for being the warmest. Could be on average during the summer, spring, autumn or winter, during the year, because of the highest temperature ever recorded, because of this or that, etc... People should precise in what is the warmest... Regarding specifically the oficial record, yes, it´s in Athens, but this doesn´t mean that´s the warmest place in Europe. Changing subject,that scientific study done in Coa Valley, even if it doesn´t hold oficial records, it´s a quite interesting one about an almost unknown and wild region, that surely must have quite warm places. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.174.37.214 (talk) 21:20, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Yes you are right,I am sorry.I meant to say the WARMEST AREA OF EUROPE DURING THE SUMMER ON AVERAGE (MEAN SUMMER TEMPERATURES) according to comparative climatology. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Weatherextremes (talk • contribs) 21:00, 12 November 2010 (UTC)

Most Snowfall One Year

The information for this record is out of date. Mt. Baker set the seasonal snowfall record in 1998-99. http://www.usatoday.com/weather/news/1999/wsnorcrd.htm. As this is a pretty reputable source and a rather well known (at least in Washington State) weather statistic, I'm going to go ahead and change it.

5300abc 04:17, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

While that is the most snowfall in a season, it is not the most snowfall in a one-year period. I changed the wording to allay the confusion. -RunningOnBrains 06:43, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

A Few Comments

• There seem to be many POV issues. For instance, it lists the warmest temperatures in all the continents and then for 2 specific countries. It seems either those two should be removed or about 210 countries should be added. Same for cold records.
• Also, I propose removing the "Earliest Tornado Recorded" as there have been tornadoes since long before humans and all this does is provide information about the oldest record of one to survive to modern day. First tornado ever would be different, but this is more about anthropology than anything.

Goodnightmush 00:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

I disagree...this being an english encyclopedia, it is not POV to introduce info on the main english-speaking countries...especially since, typically, weather statistics are spotty at best outside those countries. -RunningOnBrains 06:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

If there are reliable records for other countries, feel free to add them, I would be glad to have them. While I do see your point with the earliest tornado, I had been planning to introduce a series (first ever, first in Europe, first in America, etc.) But you do bring up a good point...I may just get rid of it. -RunningOnBrains 06:51, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

• Hi there, I am thinking the entire world records hold more value and should be emphasized some way, bold text, futher indent of continents, etc. Just a thought. MDSNYDER 02:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

maybe...I'll see what I can do. -RunningOnBrains 06:47, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

The list is okay, or just keep 1054 as the earliest known. Any natural event has bias that it must be observed, recorded, and records surviving. The instrument record is probably even more biased than that for events like tornadoes. It's interesting to know the first known occurrence of a phenomenon. Any historian will tell you how relative the "first" of something is and how it changes as new records are discovered or examined. Evolauxia 09:05, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Coldest for Oceania

Isn't Hawaii part of the United States? bibliomaniac15 04:31, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

If you look at the Oceania article, Hawai'i is usually considered part of Oceania as opposed to North America. One country does not have to be on just one continent...look at Russia. :-D -RunningOnBrains 06:54, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Good new paper

A good new paper has an explanation of weather records and problems thereof, as well as an authoritative list of quite a few records for the US and globe, respectively:

Randall S. Cerveny, Jay Lawrimore, Roger Edwards, and Christopher Landsea (June 2007): Extreme Weather Records. Compilation, Adjudication, and Publication. Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, 88 (6): 853–860.

Evolauxia 14:17, 27 June 2007 (UTC)

Original Numbers

Some of these figures are rounded up on conversion. Though the difference is usually trivial, I would recommend putting the original units of measure first and the conversion in parenthesis.

It would be a lot of work for the initial rewrite, but how about changing all these discreet conversions to use the {{convert|134|F|C}} template (renders as "134 °F (57 °C)" ) instead? That would make any updates/additions less error-prone. The template also has options for number of significant figures too. -- Joe (talk) 14:10, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

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The temperature of 50.0C at Seville is complete crap. Already 70 years ago everybody in Spain know about that instrument was on the top of the Seville cathedral and that recorded has been discountinued since 1934 and the instrument changed. I cannot understand how people can still believe to this joke, everybody laugh at this joke. Just check the official temperatures of Spain, even a 2 years old baby knows spanish recorded is 47.8c at Murcia. 48.5C is the real european record which was at catenanuova ,province of Enna, region of Sicily, during the famous terrible heat wave of August 1999.

the 56.7C at the Death Valley is completely out of reality of about 8F, for 3 reasons: 1-the shelter was indequated 2-the instrument was too close to the ground (only 1 meter) 3- at the moment of the reading a sandstorm sent the ghot sand to the instrument and altered the reading. There is nobody who has a little knowledgment who takes that ridicolous reading seriosuly. The official record (and world record) is 53.9C recorded 4 times , July 1960, July 1998, July 2005 and July 2007. I dont know who made thsi page, but he must be a stunning ignorant about climatology. 57.7c at El Azizia ? What a pity on September 13th 1915 it was RAINING at El Azizia and all neighbour stations was recording low temperatures. Obviosuly,allover Libya no place ever recorded temperature to 50C in the history. People who doesn t know anything in climatology shouldn t edit these pages and spread their ignorance to others.

The 54.0C at Tirats Tsvi is also incorrect: the correct data is 53.7c. It seems the festival of the mistakes.

And someone with a bit of knowledge would know that iberian peninsula (portugal and spain...) has places warm enough to reach 50ºc or even a bit more, even if that seville record is an hoax. Anyway does spanish meterological service has any meteorological data about that day in seville? About death valley, 53 is easy... I bet that were registered values above that in some valley locations. Maybe you are right, that 56 is an hoax... However,by far, not impossible to be registered in Death Valley. About Lybia not too much to be said. Any child would know too, that this country can be massively warm specially on the interior ( not on the breezy mediterranean coast, for the truth sake!!)exceding very well the 50ºc celsius mark. Though maybe the El azizia record is fake. Now I´m curious how do you know that on El azizia was raining on that day? Did you reached local weather service data? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.174.37.219 (talk) 01:02, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Well ,you are very BAD INFORMED; Libya has never ever recorded more than 49C.: the OFFICIAL highest temperature according to Libyan Meteorological Service is 48.9C at Jalo, during the terrible heat wave of June 1961. I mean official temperature by Libyan Meteo Service ,not the temperature written by a drunk colonizer italian 85 years ago... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 125.24.16.80 (talk) 16:08, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I see...and do you have a source for this? -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 18:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I´m not bad informed, in fact, as I said El Aziziah record is false. But whatever you want to think, Lybia has all the conditions to reach more than 50ºc on the desert. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.174.37.213 (talk) 22:28, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Apart from the completely crap Seville and Portugal temps of 50.0 The Catenanuova temperature is also completely crap as it comes from an non accredited Hydrological station of Sicily which the Italian Meteorology Service DOES NOT regard as official.The OFFICIAL record is in ATHENS.It is well known that the Greek capital and its wider metropolitan area within the Attica Basin and the Triasion Basin is the warmest place in Europe.Athens metropolitan area has been consistently giving the highest temperature readings of Europe.Apart from the OFFICIAL 48.0 European record in Athens again in 2007 the metropolitan area of Athens recorded a 47.5 OFFICIALLY.People need to be informed about the greater Athens dynamics in terms of extreme summer temperatures.Within Greece it is well known that ironically the Greek capital is the warmest place of the country and Europe.

Athens and Attica aren´t the warmest place in Europe, are ONE of the warmest european places during the summer. Being the warmest overall implies different seasons, variants,etc... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.174.37.214 (talk) 21:57, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Hottest on surface of earth

Death Valley or Al 'Aziziyah? Confirmation please.--sin-man 07:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

To make matters worse, someone put a 68.9C (156F) temperature record from Turkey (7/11/77) at the top of the list. I've always heard of the Libyan record as being the highest, although it is disputed. The "source" for the Turkish temperature isn't cited properly, so it can't be checked. My copy of Extreme Weather by Burt refers to a reported heat burst in Turkey on 7/10/77, with a reading of 152, but says it's "almost certainly apocryphal." I'm removing that item from the table. If someone confirms that it has been recently recognized as a valid reading, then it can be put back. PolitiCalypso 17:09, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

{Unsigned} In what Tom Skilling describes as "a stunning retraction, [in] a soon to be published article in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society, the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) Commission on Climatology has rejected" the Al 'Aziziyah Libya measurement "based on five major concerns- problems with the instrumentation, an inexperienced observer, unrepresentative microclimate at the site, poor relationship to surrounding temperatures and poor comparison to subsequent temperatures there." See http://blog.chicagoweathercenter.com/2012/07/ask-tom-why-134-in-death-valley-california-on-july-10-1913.html Once the article is published, the reference should be updated. {/Unsigned} — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.246.240.7 (talk) 20:46, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

68,9 as temperature record? Who believes on this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.174.37.219 (talk) 01:03, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

The Guinness book of Records in the 1980s and 90s related a freak heatwave in Coimbra, Portugal that reputedly reached 70 degrees C. While easy to dismiss, and obviously not verifiable enough to hold a record, in the context of other 'heatbursts' it should not be discarded entirely. —Preceding unsigned comment added by AbrahamCat (talk • contribs) 11:51, 17 July 2010 (UTC)

That Libyan record has been officialy rejected, in part because the Libyan National Meteorological Center doesn't accept it: http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/comment.html?entrynum=89. Vicki Rosenzweig (talk) 14:58, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Highest UK temperature has major conversion error: I'm looking at the highest temperature ever recorded for the UK and it states that it took place in Faversham, Kent in 2003. It gives the temperature as 70C or 103F. That's completely ridiculous since 70C is NOT the same as 101.3F! In fact, 70C is 158F. Wait! That's odd. I just looked at the page on my other computer and it is now showing the Faversham reading as 38.5C/101.3F which is an accurate conversion. I suppose someone made an edit and then it got backed out again; I must have just seen it before it got backed out. Sorry for the false alarm.

76.71.44.245 (talk) 19:44, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Highest Canadian temperature has two major problems: First, it doesn't say Canada in the first column of the table. Saskatchewan is indisputably in Canada but the country name is completely blank in the table. Second, no temperature is cited! I'm fixing that right now using the temperatures at the supporting link.

76.71.44.245 (talk) 20:00, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

A 38cm Snowflake?!

Alright, this makes absolutely no sense. 38cm is MORE THAN A FOOT. Is this confirmed? Are we sure it's not a paper snowflake? It doesn't make sense to me. Besides, the record is from the 1800's. Can we confirm this? --Superpika66 14:17, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I 2nd the motion —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.128.102.66 (talk) 03:32, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I only know that it was in the weather book that I used as a source. I mean, it's in the Guinness Book of World Records, but there are those who have their doubts about the veracity of these accounts: [1]. -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 15:51, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

The sole record of this snowflake is the word of one Matt Coleman, the rancher who claimed to have found it. Tall story? We should at least put in the article that the claim is dubious. 80.74.16.198 (talk) 14:12, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

Maybe a mistake....

The cold record of 45.8 negative degrees in Germany is not official.

Conventional usage of Units

• The °(degree) sign is put before the C/F when recording a temperature ...... 37°C, 100°F ("degree C or F")
• The °(degree) sign is put after the C/F when measuring a difference in temperatures ...... 37C°, 100F° ("C or F degree(s)")

Corrected the errorsarindam7 (talk) 10:03, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

NY Daily News is reporting 138 F in Afghanistan

On page 10 of the August 5, 2008 "New York Daily News", a photograph of a soldier holding a thermometer (actually reading 136 F) is captioned as being "138 unimaginable degrees" in Afghanistan. Pretty impressive temperature, especially given that 136 F is considered the record. 68.32.48.59 (talk) 22:40, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

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DumZiBoT (talk) 22:46, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Australia heat wave

Australia just had a heatwave and this page shuld be updated accordingly —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.253.9.21 (talk) 03:56, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

No national records were broken (the national record is 50.7C, I have not found any sources mentioning temperatures above 45C). If you have a source saying that a national record was broken, please provide it!-RunningOnBrains 17:26, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

It is unclear to me why New Zealand is listen (~42degC) under warmest temperatures. I can think of one day last year alone when the temperature was ~47C in Victoria, Australia, and I do not believe this is even a record. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.108.83.203 (talk) 10:47, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

The data are from BoM only. Before 1927 weather data were kept by the states, and these early reliable records have been deliberately ignored. The record high surface temp for Australia is 53.1C Cloncurry,16 Jan 1889. SA records claim 53.4C in 1854, but exact details are elusive. State surveyors were well trained and competent in such measurements. In fact, state surveyors were required to have appropriate degrees in the 1800s. BoM observers and forecasters were not required to have degrees until the late 60s. Many BoM employees became mature-age students at this time. The notion that old state records are no good is simply politically motivated (by BoM) rubbish. The data kept at U. East Anglia for the IPCC has been manipulated and "error corrected" in precisely this fashion. My comparisons show that IPCC data bases for many Aus data have been tampered with. The Darwin temp records are the most obvious tampering. There is no room in science for lying. There is no room for various IPCC data bases and IPCC scientists.220.240.250.122 (talk) 10:31, 10 February 2015 (UTC)

Mexico high temperature

http://smn.cna.gob.mx/productos/normales/estacion/son/NORMAL26165.TXT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.89.135.59 (talk) 07:50, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the given link only gives the high temperature for one particular area, and makes no assertion (as far as my limited spanish can tell) that it is a national record.-RunningOnBrains 15:22, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Bill Malloy (talk) 22:03, 10 June 2012 (UTC) I don't think the source cited here is reliable--at least not for earlier dates. Previous comment is correct. The cited source is just for one city in Sonora. No clue as to how the conclusion it was a national record was arrived at. In particular, the corresponding page for Mexicali BC (http://smn.cna.gob.mx/climatologia/Max-Extr/00002/00002034.TXT) gives a high of 61.5 (presumably Celsius) on Jul 13 1949. We could update the world record with that. More recent data seems more reasonable, but I haven't checked much and don't have anything to check against.

Given that this issue has not been resolved and since I agree with the comments above, it should be removed until a better source is found. Ssbbplayer (talk) 19:40, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Lowest pressure

Big problem here. If we're using surface land pressures unadjusted to sea level, then the average pressure in Flagstaff, Arizona is 790 hPa! There are likely places in the Himalayas with pressures on the order of 300 hPa. Either have a pressure section for tornadoes, adjust the SD record to sea level, or use the 870 hPa sea level pressure during Tip. Oy gevalt. Thegreatdr (talk) 22:17, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Possible record hail in Carson County, Texas

I've discovered an entry in the May, 1949 Monthly Weather Review mentioning 8 and a half inch diameter hail! Soccer ball sized hail! It is on page 2 of the given link; May 13 at 4:55 pm. The hail appears to have occured on rural farmland outside the town of Panhandle. -- HurricaneERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 20:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

It's an interesting report, but it must not have been reliable, as many sources credit this one as the largest, at just under 19 inches circumference (7 inches diameter). -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 21:54, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

I disagree. This was documented by National Weather Service meteorologists, who prepare these reports. The reason I think the Aurora, Nebraska hail is considered the largest is because "official" severe weather records only go back to 1950. This was 1949. Another thing to consider is that that chart covers all severe weather events for that month. That's a ton of reports to sift through. Each entry is typically as brief as possible unless it covers a major event such as a destructive tornado. They wouldn't waste their time on a little anecdote like this unless they really thought it was meteorologically and/or historically significant. In the briefest of summeries where they even leave out transition words like "the" and "and," they go out of their way to describe one hailstone in explicit detail. For whatever reason, the modern NWS refuses to acknowledge data older than 1950. I honestly don't think anyone at any NWS office today knows this report even exists. -- HurricaneERIC - Class of '08: XVII Maius MMVIII 07:04, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

To me the most likely explanation is that there was no way to determine whether the hailstone had fallen as it was found, or melted/fused to other stones on the ground (I've seen this several times, with much smaller hailstones). If you're willing to look into it further, go ahead, but when we have a back-shelf report versus NOAA coming out and saying explicitly "This is a record", I side with the latter. -RunningOnBrains^{(talk page)} 07:44, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Highest temperature on Earth

Since all other records are of air temperature at standard height with standard instruments, there is no reason to list the satellite measurements of 70C+, except maybe as a footnote. Doing so would be inconsistent, and against the myriad sources which name Al 'Aziziyah as the official world record temperature. Please do not change it unless a new record is recognized. -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 07:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

You can't say what is standard and what is not standard. satellite records are also some records. when you say "there is no reason to..." or "would be inconsistent" you are expressing your personal thought. and say me what is official? a local record station or a new method of temperature recording by NASA? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fantasizer Wiki (talk • contribs) 13:37, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Official is these official agencies such as the World Meteorological Organization, the UK's Met Office, and the US's National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration. This is just a sample of course; there are dozens if not hundreds of other agencies who will state the exact same thing.

I am not saying that the numbers on these page are the most extreme values which ever occurred. However, they are world records, because they are the most extreme values ever reliably measured with standard instruments. This is important because world records must be measured consistently. The "record" you insist on adding is not an air temperature; it is a ground temperature, and thus is inconsistent with the rest of the records on the page. Also, there is no part of the page you reference where they claim it to be a record, which makes your claim original research; this is unacceptable on Wikipedia. Ground temperatures of over 200 degrees F have been recorded, and even this is not claimed to be a record.

In short, please realize that you are not being constructive to Wikipedia with your additions, but you are only serving to spread misinformation. I have left a message with the Meteorology WikiProject to get a second opinion, but I highly doubt anyone else will see it your way. I apologize if I seem inflammatory, and if you have any questions unrelated to this specific topic, you can ask me on my talk page. -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 10:19, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Satellites don't measure the same thing as surface stations; comparing the two different measurements is like comparing apples to oranges. -Atmoz (talk) 15:06, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

The temperature in Al 'Aziziyah was recorded on September 13, 1922 not 1915 maybe that would change a bit!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.67.15.248 (talk) 04:27, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Seven years of satellite temperature data show that the Lut Desert in Iran is the hottest spot on Earth. The Lut Desert was hottest during 5 of the 7 years, and had the highest temperature overall: 70.7°C (159.3°F) in 2005, as measured by NASA’s Aqua satellite.. (NASA maps by Jesse Allen and Robert Simmon, using MODIS data from Mildrexler et al., 2011. In five of the seven years—2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2009—the highest surface temperature on Earth was found in the Lut Desert. The single highest LST recorded in any year, in any region, occurred there in 2005, when MODIS recorded a temperature of 70.7°C (159.3°F)—more than 12°C (22°F) warmer than the official air temperature record from Libya. https://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/features/HottestSpot/page2.php https://www.esa.int/spaceinimages/Images/2013/11/Dasht-e_Lut_salt_desert_Iran

Snowfall

I have removed Most snowfall depth:11.82 m (38.8 ft); Mount Ibuki,Shiga Prefecture,Japan, February 14, 1927. This seems to be the same as either "Most in one-year period" or "Most in one season (July 1–June 30)". Please explain if I am mistaken. Gabriel Kielland (talk) 14:56, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

"Snow depth" is measured differently from "total snowfall", at least in the United States: [2]. However, I don't think the record should be re-added since the wording is ambiguous, and I have no idea about the reliability of the source. -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 16:38, 12 February 2010 (UTC)

Highest temperature on Earth....again

I suggest you read the section above entitled "Highest temperature on Earth", and my rebuttals there, but here is a quick summary:

The surface temperature bit should not be mentioned. Even if it were, the Iran surface temperature is not a record, and NASA does not say it is a record as you suggest: they say it was the it was the highest surface temperature recorded by that satellite over the few years it was operating. Surface temperatures of over 200 degrees F have been recorded in Death Valley, USA in the past, and even THOSE temperatures are not claimed to be a record.

Second point: Records mentioned on this page can not just be "the worst we can find". They have to be clearly stated as a record by some official meteorological agency. I could not even find an unofficial agency which claimed the 1972 Iran blizzard was the deadliest ever, so it can't be on this page. The same point holds for the temperature records: it appears you have just gone through a bunch of weather stations and listed the highest/lowest you could find. This does not work. We need the Iran Meteorological Organization, or some equivalent official body, to come out and say that some event was a record.

Thirdly: you are probably right that we should mention the standard conditions by which records are kept. I am currently trying to find sources.

Okay, that wasn't as quick a summary as I originally intended. But I hope this puts the matter to rest. As always, thank you for your contributions, and you can ask me here or on my talk page if you have any questions. -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 18:16, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Dasht-e Lut

How about this one? Dasht-e Lut has been identified as the hottest point on earth with a temperature of 70.7 degrees C (159 degrees F) recorded in 2004 and 2005 by MODIS of NASA. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.84.126.161 (talk) 13:57, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

We have had discussion on this before (see #Highest temperature on Earth and #Highest temperature on Earth....again). This reading should not be included for two main reasons (and a bunch of little ones):

1. It is a surface temperature, which is not really weather
2. It is not claimed to be a record, and higher surface temperatures have been recorded in the past.

I found the Iranian state news article on this subject quite amusing, as it makes no sense whatsoever. Sounds like something got lost in translation... -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 01:25, 25 May 2010 (UTC) --- 70C is not a correct real air temperature.Highest temperatures recorded in the Luv are around 53-54C. Satellite data are still unfit to give correct temperatures at 2 meters above the ground.

Those claims are fake. 48,5ºC is not regarded as valid measure in Italy. About the Italian record, as a response to an e-mail:

Dear Sir,

with reference to your e-mail of March 25th 2010, we inform you that the extremes of maximum temperatures resulting from our official archive have been measured by the weather station of Bari Palese(ENAV) on July 2007,with 45.6°C, followed by Catania Sigonella(AM) with 45.4°C, registered on July 1998.These stations belong to our net, managed by Italian Air ForceMeteorological Service and ENAV (Civil Aviation), and follow the strict standards required by WMO (World Meteorological Organization) on measurement procedures.

With Best Regards,

Lt. Filippo Maimone

I Sec. Climatology CNMCA - Italian Air Force Met ServicePratica di Mare, Pomezia (ROME) Tel. +39 06 9129 3895 Fax. +39 06 9129 3254

So yeah, this is an official claim by someone in the business. Not the stuff you posted randomly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.152.118.231 (talk) 21:09, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes I agree the WMO does not give the record to this city in Italy but to Athens.There is a link as well for it.I will try to find it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.166.86.191 (talk) 21:42, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

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Croatia record date wrong

The source you listed has wrong information. The Ploce record was set in August 1981, not August 1998.

http://klima.hr/razno/publikacije/klima2008.pdf

The date is correct and the month also, the value also, but the year is wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.9.213.168 (talk) 10:47, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

References1

References

Contiguous United States?

Could someone point out to me why exactly there is a "Contiguous United States" entry? I mean I see the point, since Alaska has the record, but then we might as well add "Parts of Indonesia below Thailand" or "Parts of India below China". It's completely redundant and unnecessary. I'm removing it a week from now if there is no protestation. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 23:30, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

I also find "Most Rain in 42 Minutes" quite unnecessary. Although, reading the article for Holt, it says that it retains the fastest accumulation of a foot of precipitation in recorded history. So, I think the "42 minutes" should be removed, and have the record moved to the top of the section to say "Fastest rain accumulation (1 ft)", or something. _EricLeb⁰¹ (Page | Talk) 23:42, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

With weather being a scientific pursuit, and therefore strongly metric, there's only three countries in the world which would bother recording "fastest accumulation of a foot of precipitation". I don't believe it's significant. HiLo48 (talk) 09:22, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 76.1.177.90, 27 August 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Regarding the highest temperature recorded for Iraq (in Basra); per the Weather Channel's website (www.weather.com), a high temperature of 127 degrees Fahrenheit is shown for August 3, 2010 (under the "monthly data" tab, once that city's weather is selected (under "Al Basrah, Iraq"); as to the reliability of this information -- when compared to other resources referenced for this page -- I cannot say, as I make no claim to having expertise in the field of meteorology . . . merely wanted to pass my observation along for consideration -- thanks. 76.1.177.90 (talk) 03:05, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I removed the editsemi template, pending further discussion. You are correct that this shows 127 as a high but it is worrysome that is not specific to 4 digits. Thus I think the current source for Iraq seems more credible. I am open to more discussion or a change though.--Commander Keane (talk) 03:59, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Largest snowflake - whaaaa?

Today's Wiki Main Page "On This Day":

   "1887 – The largest-ever snowflakes, measuring 15 in (38 cm) in diameter and 8 in (20 cm) thick, were observed in Fort Keough, Montana, US."

I find this very dubious, but putting that aside for a moment, AN EIGHT-INCH THICK SNOWFLAKE? 15" X 8" isn't a snowflake - that's a chunk of ice. How was such a thing formed? HammerFilmFan (talk) 11:20, 28 January 2011 (UTC) HammerFilmFan

Yes, very dubious, and I always thought snowflakes were soft, small, fluffy and light. I think it's a classic example of everything that's wrong with the List of weather records article. For something purporting to be at least a little bit scientific, it's a heap of junk. HiLo48 (talk) 22:54, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your constructive criticism. Here is a discussion on large snowflakes. They are not a single crystal; they are conglomerates of many smaller ice crystals which form fluffy lumps; surely anyone who's lived in a cold climate long enough has seen flakes such as this (certainly not 15 inches, but I'm saying it's more feasible than you make it sound).-RunningOnBrains^(talk) 21:13, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

mherrera.org

I've noticed that someone has added a long list of records from http://www.mherrera.org/records.htm. I for one have doubts about the reliability of this site. However, this leads me to a new problem: Reading through Jeff Masters' blog entry which lists all the new 2010 records, I note that he lists Maximiliano Herrera as a source; the man who publishes the above website. My real questions are: who is this person, and why should we consider him an official temperature record-keeper? How does he compile these records? And most importantly: can the records listed there be considered official? -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 21:18, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes my question as well.The European record has been changed YET AGAIN .I have however restored it.Please refrain from changing it and stick to the official. Plus the whole article looks extremely poor with all the herrera references.Could someone restore it to previous standards and rid us of this herrara guy ?Weatherextremes (talk) 10:29, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Maximiliano Herrera is a climatologist (and an weather records researcher). He has an wikipedia account. ★ Nacho ★ (Contact me) ★ 23:27, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

So what?We do not care what self proclaimed climatologists are on about.We are interested in official authorities of respective countries and the WMO.Weatherextremes (talk) 05:32, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

This self proclaimed climatologist likes to insult real meteorologists on facebook, if you confront him he goes nuts and turns into a vulgar “animal”, particularly on the Weather Service page from Costa Rica, where he bullies the real meteorologists and degrades women with indecent insults. So yes, I wouldn’t trust this person and his own country DOES NOT recommend him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by onnne (talk) 16:38, 19 February 2019 (UTC)

I agree with users Runningonbrains and onnne. Anyone on the internet can proclaim themselves to be an expert in anything per WP:SELFPUBLISH. His source is not that great. For example, he claims the 48.5 reading in Italy as the official record but only cites raw data as the source without regards to a secondary source (e.g. news articles, journal articles, synoptic reports) to validate the reading which was then regurgitated by Jeff Masters or Christopher's Burt Blog entry. Another example is citing the -24.1 reading in Oussikis in Morroco as the lowest reading; again citing a raw data source while a quick google search fails to yield other sources to cross reference this claim; the Ifrane record low of -23.9 is validated as the lowest in Africa. We should treat anything that cites his source with extreme caution. With regards to the self-proclaimed climatologist insulting real meteorologists on Facebook, I can verify that with cases on Wikipedia whereby he insults users. See [3], example 1 where he threatens users with a legal threat, example 2 with another legal threat, example 3 with a legal threat. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:57, 28 March 2020 (UTC)

Turkey isn't in North America

Turkey isn't in North America. Period. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.159.181.167 (talk) 19:01, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Quite true. Neither is it in Antarctica. Do you have a question? -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 19:38, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Temperature records are jacked up

If I sort the high temperature record table by descending temperature, the first three are:

−13.6 °C (7.5 °F)

57.8 °C (125.4 °F)

56.7 °C (134 °F)

Obviously, the first record should be the last record, but more importantly, either the 2nd, 3rd, or both have jacked up unit conversions. 2nd shows higher Celsius and lower Fahrenheit temperature than the third. I'm no math major, but I'm pretty sure that's impossible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 140.31.211.242 (talk) 18:46, 11 November 2011 (UTC)

Same basic problem with the low temperature records table There's no way −82.8 °C and −82.5 °C both convert to −116.5 °F, unless the precision there is 0.5 F, in which case that should be noted somewhere as it is misleading otherwise.

Ack! And the next thing I see in this article shows a record -0.00 mm of rainfall. There's no such thing as negative zero rainfall. This article needs some serious QA review and cleanup.

Malaysia cold weather record is inaccurate

The article lists 7.8 degrees as the coldest temperature recorded in Malaysia at Cameron highlands. This must be inaccurate since Mount Kinabalu is Malaysia's highest point at 4100m and the temperature often goes below freezing at the summit. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.255.2.25 (talk) 12:23, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

If you think about it, nearly all the 'records' listed here are 'inaccurate' -if not meaningless- because they are not taken at a standardised pressure and height above sea level. For instance the cold 'record' taken at the top of Everest. What a surprise it's quite cold up there! Just puts all the silly squabbles above into perspective.1812ahill (talk) 13:52, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

High temp records and sources?

Recently, an editor has been changing the location and temperature of the "hottest place on Earth". While that may be fine if the source is reliable, I'm worried about a few things:

1) The current high temp record cites a Mexican governmental "database project" page (http://smn.cna.gob.mx/climatologia/Max-Extr/00026/00026086.TXT) as its source, but I can find no explanation of the data on the page (it's raw data, with Spanish headings and no explanations).

2) The NOAA site http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/globalextremes.html, quoted several times, contains no mention of the claimed high temp record in Sonora, Mexico.

3) The editor that inserted the data (more than once) will not discuss the issue and (so far) refuses to explain his/her edits.

Does anyone have any thoughts? — UncleBubba ^{( T @ C )} 01:00, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

April 25-28 Outbreak

Shouldn't this at least be mentioned in the article? The main article about the outbreak states that there were 353 tornadoes recorded in the outbreak including 206 on April 27, which is significantly higher than the 148 recoded in the 1974 outbreak. I realize there may be some discrepancies because of weaker tornadoes in the 1974 outbreak, but based on the articles it would still appear that the 2011 outbreak had the most recorded tornadoes in a 24-hour period. TornadoLGS (talk) 03:35, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

I concur. In addition, the April 25-28, 2011 outbreak killed more people (322 tornadic + 24 non-tornadic fatalities) than the Super Outbreak (319 fatalities). Also, the April 25-28, 2011 outbreak caused more damage ($11 billion) than the Super Outbreak ($3.5 billion in 2005 dollars...probably can't be that much more than that in 2012 dollars). So it appears that the only way the 1974 outbreak trumps the 2011 outbreak is in terms of number of significant tornadoes (EF4/F4 and EF5/F5), but not in number of total tornadoes, fatalities, or damages.

Also, I think the Joplin tornado should be mentioned as the costliest single tornado, with damages of about $3 billion.Abog (talk) 16:59, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 28 January 2012

In the section discussing tornadoes, there is a statement starting with "did you know. . . the elephants there go to mars for the day." This is obviously a prank.

70.99.180.162 (talk) 17:44, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

Has already been fixed, but thanks for pointing it out--Jac16888 ^Talk 18:30, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

doesn't make since

Most in 60 minutes: 305 mm (12.0 in) in 42 minutes. Holt, Missouri, United States, 22 June 1947.[23]

It says most in 60 mins, but then has "in 42 mins". 42 minutes isn't 60.108.200.41.220 (talk) 01:39, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

I think this comes from a previous discussion about the arbitrariness of listing a "Most in 42 minutes" record: This is the most on record for a 1-hour period, but it occurred in 42 minutes. The wording probably should be changed, but I can't think of a good way. (I'm open to suggestions) -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 17:51, 20 March 2012 (UTC)

Confused about hailstone photo caption

The caption under the hailstone image says "A picture of the Aurora, Nebraska hailstone, measured at 18.75 inches (47.6 cm) in circumference." but the image clearly shows a 7" hailstone, and the image description http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hailstone.jpg says "At the time of this photo, this was the largest hailstone ever recovered, 7 inches in diameter and almost 19 inches in circumference. This record has since been surpassed" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.250.141.166 (talk) 20:48, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure where your confusion lies; see diameter and circumference for their definitions. -RunningOnBrains^(talk) 22:19, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

Rain statistics are contradictory

The bullet list has data which conflicts with the table. For example, the very first item is in conflict: the first bullet says the 1 minute record is 1.23 inches yet the first table entry says 1.5 inches. Which is it? A normal reader will spot this inconsistency immediately. The 12 hour entries are also in conflict. I notice that ONLY RAIN HAS BOTH A TABLE AND A BULLET LIST OF RECORDS. As a quick and easy correction, I suggest removing either the table or the bullet list so Rain is CONSISTENT with the rest of this Wikipedia article. I cannot fix it because I do not know which data set is correct — Preceding unsigned comment added by N0w8st8s (talk • contribs) 07:56, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Humidity!

What about humidity? That should make a distinction between an arid desert and a cloud forest... Can anyone post records for lowest and highest humidity?Undead Herle King (talk) 08:12, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

Interesting idea. I've also noticed that there appears to be a distinct bias surrounding "wind speed" records. There are several representing the "fastest" ever recorded; but what about the "slowest" wind speed ever recorded? Something to think about. 70.48.219.147 (talk) 05:15, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

That would be the longest recorded period of calm, an interesting record indeed. Unfortunately a quick Google search only gives political calms. On relative humidity 100% is the highest and whenever 0% is reported there is a measurement error. Absolute humidity is rarely measured. Gabriel Kielland (talk) 20:52, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

El Azizia no longer has the world's highest temperature

IT'S OFFICIAL. The WMO (World Meteorological Organization) this morning de-certified the record for the world's highest surface temperature, held for 90 years by El Azizia, Libya. The now official hottest temperature ever recorded on Earth was the 56.7°C (134°F) reading taken at Furnace Creek (née Greenland Ranch) in Death Valley, California, on July 10, 1913. http://wmo.asu.edu/, and http://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/comment.html?entrynum=89 75.147.156.165 (talk) 13:13, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Definition of national records

Is there a convention for defining national records when a countries name changes, it becomes divided into more countries, or its borders change? Do we then have to search back within those borders to re-define the record? Unless this is carried out diligently this could lead to the number of records increasing over time as more countries are introduced. I have recently changed the lowest temperature record for Bangladesh from 2013 back to 1968 when it was known as East Pakistan. --Andromedean (talk) 13:34, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

African record at Kebili, Tunisia

For this record, while the WMO does accept it (source) and it is mentioned in passing in the El Azizia paper listed as a source for this record, the other source listed for this record (written by Christopher C. Burt, one of the authors for the above paper) actually disputes this record in the article, giving it a 2/10 for reliability. At the very least, this second source shouldn't be given in such a way as it would appear to support the record - and there should probably be a footnote saying that the record is disputed. Dendrite1 (talk) 08:36, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

new cold temperature in russia

link Mark (talk) 16:02, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Very recent temperatures in Oymyakon are here (ignore the spike to +38.3, that's an error), for the rest of the winter here and here. Nothing that I can see below even -60°C. This seems to be the result of a mistranslation. Dendrite1 (talk) 22:06, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

Removal of record for Israel

I don't know why someone removed a listing for the record high in Israel (note: I was not the editor who added it in the first place). I hope it's not some political debate or something. Seanette (talk) 21:45, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

I don't know the motivation of the editor who changed it, but since the Israel record was listed as the record high for Asia, it would have been appropriate to remove the individual listing to avoid redundancy (as has been done with most other records). However, the Israel record isn't actually the highest here for Asia - the record for Kuwait (53.6°C) is higher. This probably stems from the Israel record originally being accepted as 54°C, but this has been found by others to be in error [4] and the actual record appears to be at most 53°C. So what should have happened is we should have the Kuwait record, not the Israel record, as the highest temperature in Asia, and the individual entry from Kuwait removed. I've reverted some previous edits (which also messed up other things) and made this change. Dendrite1 (talk) 23:30, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification, and for taking the time and effort to sort it out.Seanette (talk) 23:34, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Records for existing nation states, not for regions

The highest record for Israel is dated 1942; that year the state of Israel did not yet exist. I suggest we include a record after its modern creation in May 1948. Politis (talk) 16:11, 22 May 2013 (UTC)

At the moment, records are organised by the present-day national boundaries (which is how records for countries are typically described in reliable sources), rather than historical ones. See, for example, the records for Ireland, India, the Philippines, and South Africa, which were also recorded before they were sovereign states. I don't see why adding records restricted to the time the state was actually in existence would be particularly illuminating; weather events are not bound in any way by political boundaries, and I doubt that political events are affected in any meaningful way by weather records, either. Dendrite1 (talk) 04:03, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

There are some inconsistencies. Indeed many other states are given records pre-dating their formation as independent states. We also have records for regions like Scotland but not for Catalonia or for Flanders. Meanwhile, huge areas like India, US and Russia are treated as one. And there is nothing for the Palestinian territories or Tibet, Kosovo. It may have to do with the (non) availability of data. Either way, it seems more useful to allow for new data to be inserted for new regions. For instance, to treat Alaska as separate from the US and the East Coast as separate from the West Coast, etc. Politis (talk) 07:47, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Formatting (Sort Order) Problem with Table of Highest Temps Recorded

Hi. I found a problem with the formatting in the ====Highest temperatures ever recorded==== table on this page. The column headings in the table allow page readers to sort the temperature records (in ascending or descending order) by "'Temperature'", "'Location'", and "'Date'" (the three sortable columns in the table). To sort the records by "'Location'", for example, viewers click the sort arrow that appears next to the word "'Location'" in the top row (the heading row) of the table.

The problem occurs when I sort the "'Temperature'" column. In the default view of the table, the first data row (just below the column headings) displays the highest temperature ever recorded. The row reads "North America (World Record)" then "56.7 degrees C" then "Furnace Creek Ranch" then "1913-07-10". However, when I click the sort arrow in the ""Temperature'" column (to re-sort the table to show temperature records in "ascending order" (from lowest to highest temps), the top row displays as "Antarctica" then "14.6 degrees C" then "Vanda Station" then "1974-01-05". The problem is that the temperature of 14.6 degrees C is ""NOT"" the lowest temperature ever recorded, because this same table includes a record that reads "South Pole" then "-12.3 degrees C" then "Amundsen-Scott South Pole Station" then "2011-12-25". (Aside: a world low temp record makes a great Christmas gift!) You will see THAT row (that temperature record) displayed at the top of the table if you click the "'Temperature'" sort order again, to move from a "lowest-to-highest" order to a "highest to lowest" order.

So, the formatting problem with sorting is that the "'Temperature'" column sorts all of the "numerically positive" temperature records correctly, but does ""NOT"" correctly incorporate the (there is only one) "numerically negative" temperature record into that list.

This problem also occurs in the ====Lowest temperatures ever recorded==== table on this page, because the low temperature records also include both numerically positive ("above 0 degrees C") temperature records and numerically negative ("below 0 degrees C") temperature records.

In short, in the two temperature records tables on this page, the Wikipedia sort algorithm (or whatever it's called) does not correctly account for both positive and negative numerical values when it sorts data in ascending and/or descending order. And I don't know how to change this. Perhaps it's a matter of the data being sorted as "textual" rather than as "numerical" data--but I don't know enough about how Wikipedia's sorting works to be able to address this myself. Can one of you who follow this page fix this problem, or is it something that should be pushed up to a Wikipedia administrator (or to someone who can tweak the sort algorithm)?

Cheers, Kurt B.

Drtheuth (talk) 17:52, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for picking this up, it should be fixed now. (It was indeed just a case of setting it to sort that column numerically). While I was there, I also fixed an issue where the Slovenian record (for Črnomelj) was being sorted incorrectly when sorting by location name. Dendrite1 (talk) 00:20, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Also fixed the table of "Lowest temperatures ever recorded", which had similar issues. Dendrite1 (talk) 00:44, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, Dendrite1 (talk). Was it just a matter of adding the tag "'data-sort-type="number" '"? Elegantly and quickly done. Much obliged! Drtheuth (talk) 01:18, 30 June 2013 (UTC)

minimum record for Italy

Does anyone know what the relevance of the 'Dolines' is in this link? Should this go in as a minimum record for Italy?

Busa Nord di Fradusta (Italy) min. -49.6 New national record low for Italy (for the dolines) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andromedean (talk • contribs) 07:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

From the source, the -49.6 reading is dubious. Also, it does not mention if that reading is the national record low for Italy, just for that station (since the source does not include all of the weather stations in the country). Ssbbplayer (talk) 15:25, 16 August 2016 (UTC)

Record Temperatures in London

Temperatures in London rose to 92.6 degrees as recorded by a reporter in his bag, so out of the shade-I know it wasn't reported by a weather station because the area affected by intense heat was too small but it was clear the temperature was the highest recorded ever considering how a reporter fried eggs, tiles broke off and a car started the melt, which is virtually impossibly under any temperatures previously recorded.What is the point in this article if it doesn't account for all weather that takes place.Source:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuKIQdvEOzY — Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.1.133.156 (talk) 17:09, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

The assumption made with this list is that weather phenomena are recorded under standard, undisturbed conditions. Just because a small area is being artificially raised to very high temperatures by a nearby building doesn't make it suitable for inclusion - if this were so, we could measure temperatures in the middle of a raging wildfire (which would be well over 92.6°C, of course) and declare that a "weather record". Or indeed, we could cover a field with some sort of waterproof fabric, raised above the ground and declare it the driest place on Earth. Such records, while they may in a sense be interesting in their own right, do not really fall under the scope of this page since they're mainly influenced by extreme local events more than the general meteorological situation. (As an aside, the reporter said he "left one of his boxes out" with the thermometer, so we can't verify that the thermometer was in the shade - and even if it was, heat could be conducted directly from the outside of the bag to the thermometer, artificially raising the temperature inside.) Dendrite1 (talk) 02:05, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

New low-temperature world record?

Should this article make mention of the new record noted at Lowest temperature recorded on Earth? It is admittedly of lower quality than the Vostok reading because it was remote-sensed by satellite and therefore has no official status, but does this preclude even a mere mention, say, in a footnote? After all, other pages about temperature and temperature extremes do mention it. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 19:13, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Yes, a footnote should explain why Dome A has a colder figure in the tables, with Vostok still holding the world record. Or the tables should be reverted to the thermometer-measured Dome A record, with a footnote mentioning satellite-measurements and linking to the Lowest temperature recorded on Earth article. Akseli9 (talk) 21:51, 11 December 2013 (UTC)

Mexico/World's highest temperature record

There is no support for this record, other than a text webpage with a number on it. All national weather organizations (US, Mexico) reflect the 52/125.6 temperature in Mexicali as the national official record high. The WMO now recognizes the Furnace Creek 134F as the official world record. There are many, many reports of higher temperatures, none of which are accepted by official meteorological organizations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.145.51.6 (talk) 06:16, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Yep, that was added a couple of hours before you posted despite a HTML comment not to change the old text. Should be fixed now. Dendrite1 (talk) 10:10, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Palestine temperature record

The claimed high temperature is 54 C. The entire territory is near the Mediterranean Sea. The high temperature is claimed to be higher than the highest temperatures in the middle of deserts far from the sea in the hottest parts of the world, such as the Sahara, Arabia or Australia. In my opinion this 54 C record is bullshit. It is simply not possible in terms of climate. Palestine is not hotter than the hottest parts of the world. Probably some "Israelis" have falsified the records. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.76.103.168 (talk) 22:22, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

"Kuwait recorded its hottest temperature on record on July 31, 2012 in Sulaibya, when the mercury hit 53.6°C (128.5°F). This surpasses the highest undisputed temperature ever recorded in Asia--the 53.5°C (128.3°F) measured at Moen Jo-Daro, Pakistan on May 26, 2010. The only higher temperature ever measured in Asia was a 54°C (129.2°F) reading from Tirat Tsvi, Israel on June 22, 1942. The Israeli Met Office pursued an investigation of the record in 2012 (prompted by an inquiry from the WMO and wunderground's weather historian Christopher C. Burt), and concluded that the record was valid. However, they have refused to make public the details leading to their conclusions, and until they do so, the record remains suspect."

"129.2° (54.0°C) June 21, 1942 Tirat Zvi, Israel

SOURCE: Bio-Climatic Atlas of Israel by Dr. D. Ashbel, Central Press, Jerusalem, 1950, p.125

NOTES: This is the most obvious error of all. The thermograph trace recording this temperature obviously peaked at 53°C (127.4°C) not 54°C (and two other nearby stations recorded only 52°C/126°F). But somebody wrote on it (with an arrow pointing at the peak, '54°'. They misread the thermograph as anyone can see on close examination. It is interesting that no one seems to have ever noticed this mistake before weather historian Howard Rainford pointed this out last summer; this has been widely accepted as the hottest temperature ever measured in Asia:"

"Figure 4. The thermograph trace recording the June 21, 1942 temperature at Tirat Zvi, Israel, shows that the temperature obviously peaked at 53°C (127.4°C) not 54°C. But somebody wrote on it (with an arrow pointing at the peak, '54°'. They misread the thermograph as anyone can see on close examination. Image credit: Bio-Climatic Atlas of Israel by Dr. D. Ashbel, Central Press, Jerusalem, 1950, p.125.

VALIDITY SCORE: 0

This was a very obvious error. Probable maximum temperature between 52-53°C (as recorded at two other sites nearby)."
-- 188.174.173.44 (talk) 21:30, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Considering the fact that the WMO officially claims that the Tirat Zvi record is valid I think the onus is on the refuters to prove that the measurement is false. http://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/wcp/ccl/documents/FinalReport_CCl-MG_2013.pdf section 3.1.b. Motti (talk) 11:14, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

That's not how it works – especially considering that it is unclear how you could prove an historical measurement false in the first place even in principle ... except by showing an error to be probable, which has already been done. An extraordinary claim requires extraordinary proof. A temperature record is an extraordinary claim, especially one that lies higher than the reliably measured world record of 53.9°C (it's reliable because it has been measured five times, including three times in the 21st century, i. e., in the recent past, making an error extremely improbable), and there are (to put it mildly) reasons, laid out above, to suspect an error in the case of the Tirat Zvi record. An error, on the other hand, is not an extraordinary claim. So the ball is now on the defenders' side of the court, not the sceptics'. That OR is forbidden on Wikipedia only means that we cannot decide the matter, but that is true for either side of the controversy. If RS disagree about the validity of a measurement, Wikipedia cannot unilaterally declare it valid. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 22:49, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

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Spain and others are not part of south america

What kind of fool did this table? But It is not only Spain, others like Denmark and Belgium are in Europe.

Temperature record in South America

The highest temperature recorded in South America should be 48.9 °C (120.0 °F), which was recorded at Rivadavia, Salta, not 49.1 °C (120.4 °F), in Villa de María del Río Seco. This is incorrect Most sources, including the World Meteorological Organization recognizes this value (it is not disputed and not under any ongoing investigations). I am bit unsure about the lowest temperature though. Most sources, including WMO indicate the record low of −32.8 °C (−27.0 °F) in Sarmiento, Chubut, Argentina. Ssbbplayer (talk) 02:51, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

Sources conflict

With the two sources for the Record temp in USA of 134F. 1 source states that the record is due to superheated sand caused by a sandstorm. The second source states that the record is most likely incorrect. Should this record have a notation that the record is unreliable?

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Reliability of high records

The asterisk note under the highest temperature table now says "Temperature record may be unreliable according to Christopher Burt." Burt has been writing on the weather underground site about the reliability of temperature records since at least 2010, but it's hard to believe that he's the only one who doubts the indicated records. Indeed, the climatologist William T. Reid published a thorough story in Burt's blog just this past Monday. Burt's prodding and blogs led to the official dismissal of the Libyan world record, so my guess is the 134ºF won't stand "officially" for very long anymore either.

The highest temperature in Israel is a no-brainer, as the paper record clearly shows the 54ºC was a simple misreading of 53ºC (though given the width of the line 52ºC-52.5ºC is more realistic). No idea why this is still in any record lists.

Burt dismisses basically all records measured by the French in the 1930s in North Africa as "older recordings by colonial stations [using] thermometers and shelters that probably cannot be accepted today". I believe nearby weather stations did not record any unusually high temps in each case of a purported record. Note that the Tunisian record was not endorsed by the WMO report in the Bulletin of the American Meteorological Society; the paper was an official report on the Libya record and at the end they simply write that the torch has apparently been passed to Death Valley for the world (see above) and Tunisia for the African record, without verifying the reliability of either. I recommend that reference to be deleted from the table.

On the other hand, for Europe, we have a lower temperature in the table than Burt accepts. He wrote in 2010 "The highest reliably measured temperature in Europe is 48.5C (119.3F) recorded at Catenanuova, Sicily, Italy on Aug. 10, 1999. This has recently been confirmed as authentic by the Italian Meteorological Service (Air Force)." Perhaps that authentication can be dug up. Afasmit (talk) 22:09, 26 October 2016 (UTC)

Missing countries?

I realized fairly quickly that Papua New Guinea is not represented here, and I am sure several other countries are missing. Nor was I aware that, for instance, Greenland was part of North America - its traditional associations have been with Europe. Similarly, Madagascar seems to be missing from these charts, while North Korea has had a minimum temperature but no maximum.

Finally, I realize that it would be somewhat arbitrary but a chart of the year's maxima/minima have been recorded would be a valuable addition to this page for the reader. Anyone out there up to that? Ambiguosity (talk) 14:57, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

One of the biggest issues is that not all countries publish data related to their record highs and lows as a single summary or webpage. Some countries like the United States, UK, and many other European countries publish a summary of weather records on their respective meteorological agency sites making them easy to obtain the information. In contrast, other countries don't publish it or the sources are buried in other governmental agencies or other sources (e.g. journals, books, etc.) and thus are hard to find. You have to either dig through governmental reports, studies, or reliable news sources to obtain them. Ssbbplayer (talk) 19:43, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

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Records of 2016-2017 - AHVAZ (IRAN)

So let's check the real sources for raw data, not blogs from wunderground: Ahvaz Airport in Iran, June 29th, 2017. They report 54 C in the METAR message from 16h51' and 17h00 local time. SOURCE: https://rp5.ru/Weather_archive_in_Ahvaz_(airport),_METAR We know that airports don't report decimals, so we cannot take this as valid. Then we have the Ahvaz regular/normal weather station which is registered under WMO. In the SYNOP message from 19h30 local time from June 29th, they report +53,7 C as maximum temperature. For 16h30 local time they report 52,7 C, so it is plausible. I believe that we shouldn't consider rounded values from METAR messages, for the real temperature could be as well as 53,5 C, but also 54,4 C. What do you guys think? Dextercioby (talk) 08:55, 14 July 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dextercioby (talk • contribs) 11:41, 11 July 2017 (UTC)

Records of 2016-2017 - MONTORO VEGA ARMIJO (SPAIN)

On July 13th, the local/national weather station of Montoro Vega Armijo (5361X) reported a maximum temperature of 47,3 C, which somebody used to change on the article page the absolute record for Spain from the old 47,8 C of Murcia from 29 VII 1876 to this new value. I took the liberty to add the only reference for this reading (the Kachelmann website), but I am pretty sure the Spanish still consider the old record of 141 years ago as being valid, so, unless this heat wave won't deliver at least 47,9 C, we normally have no reason to consider a change in the table. This weather station in Montoro is not registered by AEMET under WMO, as it would normally appear in the listing on the OSCAR platform. Dextercioby (talk) 09:13, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

The record was previously listed as 47.2°C in Murcia on 4 July 1994, however due to reports which have been confirmed to be correct by the UK Met Office (a reputable source), the value was changed 2A02:C7F:C814:7F00:D98E:90CC:BB7B:B416 (talk) 21:40, 14 July 2017 (UTC)

Some known user replaced the Kachelmann source (raw data from SYNOP/BUFR messages issued by stations) I had placed and the original daily report on the AEMET website with an article in the El Pais newspaper claiming this is a "secondary source". Why? Is the newspaper an official, reputable source? Dextercioby (talk) 13:46, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

Because secondary sources are better. They will explicitly mention if that reading is official or not and if it is the highest in the country or not. Newspapers, if reliable are an official, reputable source (e.g. The Guardian). On the other hand, using just raw data tells you nothing and trying to interpret that reading as being the highest using only a primary source would be WP:OR. Ssbbplayer (talk) 16:34, 27 March 2020 (UTC)

Lowest Israeli temperature

The lowest recorded temperature in Israel is in the Golan Heights, which the international community considers occupied and is disputed. Should there be any sort of marking to indicate this? 'List of elevation extremes by country' shows two entries: the first from the Israeli point of view and the second from the international point of view, so this seems like what we should do here. Oiygg (talk) 21:44, 31 July 2017 (UTC)

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Add new record -- Highest Daily Low?

The article currently lists "Highest overnight low temperature". This differs from the highest daily low, which would include cooler hours from two different days (one starting at midnight, another ending at the next midnight). CNN (and perhaps others) has reported a new record highest daily low -- see https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/hottest-low-temperature-quriyat-oman-wxc/index.html . Would it be appropriate to add a new row for "Highest daily low"? Note that this new article actually specifies two records: highest low in a 24 hour period (which might or might not start at midnight), plus highest low over a 51 hour period, which by definition must include at least one standard day (midnight to midnight). --Larry/Traveling_Man (talk) 17:41, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Scotland temperature record

I reverted the new Scottish temperature record of 33.2°C because it was rejected by the Met Office (BBC News). Therefore, it stands once again at 32.9°C. --Gerrit ^CUTEDH 22:56, 5 July 2018 (UTC)

Proposed merger from List of countries by extreme temperatures

I am neutral, but am listing here because the merger proposal was made on 22 December 2018 and has attracted no comment from the nominator or anyone else. It could otherwise hang around for ever. Narky Blert (talk) 11:25, 6 May 2019 (UTC)

In my view, it's clear that List of countries by extreme temperatures is a much useful list, as it lists all the countries and both highest and lowest temperature in a sortable table. That's what you really want: sort all the countries to see the two rankings. This article, on the other hand, separates by continent and by lowest/highest. If it was about merging, for sure I would keep the list of the other article --Jbaranao (talk) 13:59, 2 August 2019 (UTC)

Wind speeds

Commonwealth Bay, Antartica, is considered the windiest place on Earth, with an average annual wind speed is 50 mph. We should include this place to the wind speeds record. — Preceding unsigned comment added by GS-216.1993 (talk • contribs) 23:57, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

Antarctica Record 20.75 °C is fake news

Antarctica Record is fake news: They measured the full sun temperature instead of shadow temperature: https://www.lameteo.org/index.php/news/3696-record-de-chaleur-en-antarctique-le-vrai-du-faux — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:4DD5:FA7C:0:7C2F:6206:5E14:42CF (talk) 07:10, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

OK then, there's nothing stopping you from editing the article to indicate doubt about the validity of the reading, perhaps with a note. I'd wait for a more rigorous and/or official refutation to justify removing it entirely. It does seem suspicious, though, especially given that unlike the Esperanza reading which was almost immediately picked up by the WMO, the WMO has not mentioned the Seymour Island reading. Grant Exploit (talk) 02:25, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

I can not edit the article. I am not a member of wikipedia. And I don't know english.

I think once the readings are verified by the WMO, then this reading can be removed if considered unofficial. For now, it is still pending verification. Ssbbplayer (talk) 19:37, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

According to the WMO press release on 1 July 2021, the 20.75 reading is invalidated. It's not fake news; it was just that when they measured the temperature, the monitoring station used an improvised radiation shield that lead to thermal biases in the temperature sensor. In other words, it was measured under non-standard conditions and therefore, the reading is dubious and non-official. Ssbbplayer (talk) 01:34, 4 July 2021 (UTC)

Hurricane Patricia

Shouldn’t that hurricane be listed for the highest wind speed? --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 02:17, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Most snow in 24 hours: Capracotta 2015 looks dubious

The currently listed record for most snowfall in a 24 period is 2.56m for Capracotta, Italy, on 5 March 2015. This attracted a lot of media immediately after the event, but a week later in this USA Today story it seems the claims were overblown, so to speak:

Despite gobs of initial media attention, that total may have been wildly inflated. Officially, the town picked up "only" about 3 feet of snow, which was then blown around by strong winds into massive snowdrifts, greatly exaggerating the totals.

Wantok (toktok) 04:29, 26 July 2020 (UTC)

@Wantok: I took a deeper look into that claim. I agree that the claim is exaggerated. As well, the capracotta reading is not official according to the previously cited source and this is problematic as unofficial readings are generally not reliable. At the moment, the World Meteorological Organization does not even have a 24-hour record snowfall category but it looks like that Mount Ibuki has the most 24-hr snowfall according to the Washington Post. I think this one is more accepted since Japan has stringent snowfall measuring much like the United States and Canada and since the commentary is from Randall Cerveny, WMO’s chief rapporteur of weather and climate extremes which is more reliable than a random meteorologist or a journalist. I made the changes with this edit. Ssbbplayer (talk) 19:36, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Highest temperature?

The bogus 1913 Death Valley entry should be deleted and replaced with one of the modern, reliable extremes. Scientists examined 1913 records recently and determined they are impossible to occur and most likely a falsified by inept caretaker as they fail statistical, meteorological and geographical scrutiny at once: https://www.wunderground.com/blog/weatherhistorian/an-investigation-of-death-valleys-134f-world-temperature-record.html (this is different to the debunking link already on this site, examining Death Valley record keeping in particular)

First of all, the World Meteorological Organization is the official agency that determined whether the reading is reliable or not and they involve multiple experts to conduct it (they usually publish their findings in a peer reviewed journal). Using an opinion of one person is less reliable than multiple persons (the article is mostly an opinion article) and would be giving undue weight to one person per WP:UNDUE. Since they have not invalidated the reading, it still stands. Ssbbplayer (talk) 03:40, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Concerning Spain

I do not think the current record in hottest temperature is confirmed by the WMO yet just like the recent record in Italy, I think the old one should be kept for now. Maxime12346 (talk) 23:38, 16 August 2021 (UTC)

AEMET came publicly on their website and on Twitter with 47,4 C, after initial raw data from Saturday showed only 47,2 C. I think we should keep the Spain one. There won't be any WMO involvement, they do not look into national heat/cold records, only in the continental ones. As for Sicily, it's a different enchilada: there were wild vegetation fires not too far away from Floridia (Siracusa province, where this agro-meteo w.s. is located) on that day, so an inspection of NASA/NOOA satellite records by WMO + possible imperfect radiation coating on the temperature sensors could/should disqualify it. (Dextercioby, 06:34 UTC, 17.08.2021)

@Maxime12346: The WMO has validated the recorded in Spain in their State of the Global Climate 2021 provisional report and at the time that the report was published (October 2021), the Italy reading of 48.8 C is still pending validation. We should keep for both Spain and Italy for now with a footnote for Italy that it is still pending confirmation. If it is invalidated, then we can remove it and add a footnote to explain why it was removed. Ssbbplayer (talk) 17:23, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Fixing cite errors

Upon checking the citation for Chad, I discovered a rather complex situation involving wrong citations for a number of countries' maximum temperature records. I've mostly fixed it now (I hope!) but there's too much to cover in an edit summary so I'll detail it here:

• I won't go into the edit history in detail, but for a while there was a citation for Cyprus along with another countries (including Chad). Later, an editor mistakenly replaced all those citations when trying to update the record for Cyprus, resulting in all those other countries' records being incorrectly referenced to a source that only mentions Cyprus.
• The original cite before this was a dead link to a post by Dr. Jeff Masters at Weather Underground but I tracked down an archive. This archived source (which I'll label as S for convenience) supports all but one of the records that had been replaced, and is involved with several other records as well, and I have made adjustments accordingly.
• The record for Cyprus remains cited as before, but the citation is now separated from those for the other countries.
• The records for Zambia, Belarus, Qatar, Sudan, Chad, Solomon Islands and Bolivia are all supported by S and it is the only source for those countries that we have. They are now correctly referenced to S.
• S supports other existing sources for the records of Ukraine, Finland, and Myanmar. I've added S as a citation for each.
• S also supports the existing source for Saudi Arabia's record, but both sources say the record was on the 22nd rather than the 23th (as on our page previously). I've changed the date to the 22nd and added S as a citation to it.
• S lists a record for Niger, but this conflicts with our existing source for that country (which has an earlier, higher temperature). I have not modified this record.
• S has records for Kuwait, Iraq and Pakistan but those have been superseded by reliably sourced records. Again, I have not modified these in my latest edit (I did modify the Iraq record for unrelated reasons in an earlier edit).
• S does not mention Nigeria, even though the old source was used to reference a record there. We do not have another citation for this record. mherrera.org does list it but labels it "dubious". I've left the record in but with marked it with "citation needed".

Dendrite1 (talk) 20:05, 8 April 2022 (UTC)

Reverts by user sfaube

There have been several reverts by an user who calls himself sfaube. He or she is a new user and has so far only edited in this article, and the only activity thereof is reverting edits of other users. I suggest, sfaube, that you stop that as vandalism is frowned upon in the Wikipedia and might lead to you being reported. Maxl (talk) 12:09, 21 July 2022 (UTC)

Many flaws

When reading the information I noticed that many sentences didn’t add up and had grammar errors I don’t know what happened but I added Egypt temperature record and it’s disappeared 2A02:A44C:6682:1:B96D:5803:2EAE:EA59 (talk) 14:21, 30 December 2022 (UTC)

That's probably because you didn't add a reliable source supporting the claim. Ionmars10 (talk) 03:03, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Yes. In Africa, Egypt, Libya, Mauritania have no credible records of maximum temperature. That's why they are missing here. Dextercioby (talk) 21:03, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Temperature Record of Ireland

This source: suggests that Ireland’s hottest day on record was 16 July 1876 33.5 °C (92.3 °F), instead of 26 June 1887 33.3 °C (91.9 °F).

Is the source valid? Should we change Ireland’s heat record? Egghead2000 (talk) 00:08, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

References

Three countries with all time records?

This article (https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2023/06/may-2023-was-the-worlds-third-warmest-may-on-record/) states that Chad has set an all time record high and that Myanmar and Cyprus have hit all time record lows. Tajjc (talk) 20:25, 15 June 2023 (UTC)

Cyprus is in Asia

Should the table entry for Cyprus therefore be moved to Asia? The wikipedia entry for the Geography of Cyprus states this, and the main Cyprus page describes it as geographically in Asia, it is only culturally and politically in Europe. Weather and climate comes under the Geography section in Wikipedia country articles. Weatherman22 (talk) 18:49, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

New dew point record

There is a possibility of a new dew point record being recorded at Qeshm Dayrestan International Airport in Iran. The dew point was at 97 degrees F, which is 2 degrees about the highest recorded dew point temperature in 2003 in Saudi Arabia. The heat index value is tied at 178 degrees F.[5]https://twitter.com/US_Stormwatch/status/1691596872903979036 I think this record should be changed if it has been verified. 47.12.180.193 (talk) 23:26, 18 August 2023 (UTC)

Protect the page from vandalism

Hi, can we protect the page from vandalism? Allow only members of many years of WP to make additions/changes? Dextercioby (talk) 21:05, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Removing 55 degree record in Tunisia

I know the WMO still excepts this record, but almost every weather historian agrees it is unreliable just like the rest of the extremely high temperatures in Africa measured in colonial times. I think this should be removed from the list Gopher7923 (talk) 18:23, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

Record temperature of -35.5°C in Hungary in February 2021 and -50.6°C in Italy

Hello, on February 16, 2021 in Hungary an absolute minimum temperature of -35.5°C was measured in Bükk Platteau, which surpasses the previous record of -35°C from 1940. These are the sources: [6]https://mkweather.com/hungary-355c-all-time-national-record-2021/ https://www.heol.hu/helyi-kozelet/2021/02/uj-rekord-minusz-35-es-fel-fokot-mertek-szombaton-a-bukk-fennsikon Rocky20082009 (talk) 10:49, 2 December 2023 (UTC). Furthermore, in the first ten days of January 2022, -50.6°C were recorded in Busa Riviera at 2634 masl in Italy. This is the source resulting from the association that records the data in the "cold spots": [7]

Yes, we have dolines and sinkholes everywhere, except that there are no official weather stations there. We've had under -40 in the Apuseni in Romania, too, but this page of Wiki tries to mention only official (usually validated by the national weather services) records. Dextercioby (talk) 12:20, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply. I don't know the Hungarian meteorological service, but I'm sure that the Italian record is official, as the network of meteorological stations used to collect data from the sinkholes of Friuli Venezia Giulia collaborates with the ARPA FVG/Osmer network. Rocky20082009 (talk) 17:19, 2 December 2023 (UTC)