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War of 1812Edit

Hi Matthewq4b! That's a pretty controversial edit to make, regarding the accepted outcome of a war 200 years ago. What sources are you using to declare a victory for the British? Orville1974 (talk) 23:02, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

A person or group of people keep coming back to change the American Revolutionary War, War of 1812, and World War 2 outcomes to obviously false results. It's probably the same vandal or group. Zimm82 (talk) 00:23, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
Ah, ok. Thank you for the heads up. Orville1974 (talk) 01:06, 21 June 2019 (UTC)
See the talk page notice at Talk:War of 1812:
This page is for discussions about changes to the article. There has been considerable debate over "who won the war" (please refer to Archives 8 and 9 for the most recent discussions). Historians and the editors have various viewpoints on which side won, or if there was a stalemate. For more information, see the section *Memory and historiography, Historian's views*. However, the consensus, based on historical documentation, is that the result of the war was per the Treaty of Ghent, i.e., status quo ante bellum, which, in plain English means "as things were before the war."
For a summary of the real-world debate, see the War of 1812#Memory and historiography. The result of the war per the consensus of historians was "Status quo ante bellum". In other words, neither side was the winner. EdJohnston (talk) 01:44, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

The consensus among Historians surrounding the War of 1812 is not unanimously a draw. Johns Hopkins University professor Eliot Cohen has stated as much. Additionally The consensus among American historians is it was drawn. But such is not the case with non-American historians as stated by Eliot Cohen.

Professor Eliot Cohen has stated, “ it was the last point at which the United States thought really seriously about trying to take Canada by force of arms.” Furthermore “U.S. forces failed in achieving their objectives of conquering Canada, and the nominal causes for which (the Americans) had fought the war had advanced not an iota by the time a peace treaty had been signed and hostilities ended in early 1815" Additionally "if the conquest of (Canada) had not been an American objective when the war began, it surely had become such shortly after it opened,”

The U.S did not achieve ANY of the objectives for starting the war. The whole reason for the U.S invasion of Canada was to force the U.K to recognize American Maritime rights. The Americans failed to invade Canada and failed to secure legal recognition of maritime rights in the treaty of Ghent. In summary, the U.S failed to achieve or secure ANY of the major objectives for starting the war. That by any measure constitutes a loss. The British retained the territory of Canada, successfully preventing American Annexation and did not legally have to recognize the maritime rights of the U.S. That is a Victory for the British by any measure. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Matthewq4b (talkcontribs) 08:23, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Matthew, if you disagree with how War of 1812 summarizes the consensus of historians, consider making your argument at Talk:War of 1812 and try to persuade the other editors. It is unclear how your quotes from Eliot Cohen change the analysis; everyone seems to agree that at least *some* Americans wanted to conquer Canada. EdJohnston (talk) 15:13, 21 June 2019 (UTC)

Blatant misrepresentations and pro-usa-warmonger povEdit

The article contradicts other pages in wikipedia, mischaracterizing outcomes to pro-american warmongering pov, even in conflicts usa role was marginal. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.121.84.11 (talk) 22:59, 24 June 2019 (UTC)

Care to point them out instead of making vague statements that have no merit?2601:49:1:5316:7CBB:DC06:D02E:D02F (talk) 11:05, 29 June 2019 (UTC)

Several things that are definitely not "war" listed under this articleEdit

So I'm thinking the title of this should either be "military actions of the US" or that there should be several things removed from the list as they don't meet the definition of a war.

In the very first section you have shay's and the whiskey rebellion. Fighting was involved in both, but neither were wars.

Would anyone be opposed to me removing these from the list? If so why? Clown Tiddies (talk) 12:17, 5 September 2019 (UTC)

I agree completely that a lot of the things listed in this article do not count as war. The Civil War in Yemen does not fully involve the United States as the United States is not directly supporting Saudi Arabia militarily. The recent tensions between the United States and Iran do not count as a war either as there have been no clashes other then a U.S RQ-4 Global Hawk getting shot down. Iran brought down a U.S RQ-170 in 2011 and that did not constitute as a war. Neither should the current conflict. I think several of the minor clashes in this article need to be removed. UnknownLegacy 11:54, 18 September 2019 (EDT)

Invasion of Iraq and Iraq war listed as same war.Edit

This must be a mistake. The invasion was a sweep victory with under 200US casualties. Iraq war on the other hand saw +4,000 US casualties, ended in withdrawal and emergence of ISIL, what was the victory in it? In the article Iraq War there is no word of being a victory or defeat. I'll do the same here. KasimMejia (talk) 14:13, 23 October 2019 (UTC)

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