Talk:List of islands of Taiwan

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I moved this page because (on technically correct terms) "Taiwan" can mean two things:

• the island of Taiwan (excluding the Pescadores, Quemoy, etc.)
• the Province of Taiwan (including the Pescadores but excluding Taipei and Kaohsiung Cities)

In both these instances, the island groups of Quemoy and Matsu are excluded, as they are officially part of Fujian province. --Jiang 21:29, 1 Oct 2003 (UTC)

The main purpose of this entry is to list Taiwan as an island under the 'control' of Beijing. This is called a Trojan horse. Wetman

I don't comprehend your statement. Please explain. --Jiang 00:10, 2 Oct 2003 (UTC)

Do you mean the People's Republic of China? This is the Republic of China. --Jiang 00:16, 2 Oct 2003 (UTC)

All of the territories administered by the ROC now are islands. This is a good list. Yes, all of these islands are claimed by the PRC.--Jusjih 15:04, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

A notice that the PRC's claim over the ROC territories is contested and that at present the ROC maintains a completely separate government without PRC interference should be added. I stumbled across this article and the wording of "All of the ROC claimed by the People's Republic of China." is misleading in that it implies that the ROC is already part of PRC. [Anonymous passer by] 09:08, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. The fact that Taiwan (island) redirects to Geography of Taiwan eliminates much anticipated confusion; WP:COMMONNAME supports the convention of replacing "Republic of China" with "Taiwan". In future discussions, please keep in mind that incivility is counterproductive. Miniapolis 17:46, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

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List of islands of the Republic of China → List of islands of Taiwan – For consistency between the parent article Taiwan and all things associated with it. See List of national scenic areas in Taiwan, List of volcanoes in Taiwan, List of earthquakes in Taiwan, List of national parks in Taiwan, List of administrative divisions of Taiwan, Geography of Taiwan, Regions of Taiwan, Eight Views of Taiwan, etc. And refer to some talks Talk:Belize–Taiwan relations and Talk:List of administrative divisions of Taiwan about some things related to Taiwan vs. Republic of China Sawol (talk) 02:50, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose: Per WP:OTHERSTUFF, OP has put forth an unsound argument (all titles Sawol mention are strictly in the area of geography and it more or less makes sense to use "Taiwan" in their titles; some, such as Eight Views, even have nothing to do with the ROC). I recommend all passer-bys read the first section of this talk page. It is well-established that article content should conform well with the title. "Republic of China" is unambiguous, allows for the broadest scope, whereas "Taiwan" is ambiguous, can be limiting and most certainly will allow for edit wars over inclusion of ROC-controlled South China Sea and other non-Taiwan Province islands subordinate to Taipei. The lede clearly explains the Republic of China is not the Beijing-based government, and will dispel any confusion. GotR ^Talk 03:45, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

Though unsuitable for deletion discussions, OTHERSTUFF is actually quite valid in move discussions. WP:CRITERIA says titles should be "consistent with the pattern of similar articles' titles," so the nominator's argument is relevant and important. --BDD (talk) 21:54, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

And WP:TITLE calls for precision in titles as well. As explained previously, "Taiwan" will not cut it. GotR ^Talk 06:22, 6 June 2013 (UTC)

• comment The proposed title is confusable between the Taiwan island group, and the islands under the control of Taipei (or, additionally, whose control is disputed by Taipei that are not under the control of the PRC), and the list of islands forming the Province of Taiwan (the ROC version or the PRC version); we should have additional lists to cover the different meanings (especially the Taiwan island group) -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 06:10, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
• Rename per Taiwan and WP:COMMONNAME. The most common name for the state is "Taiwan" and "Taiwan" is most commonly used for the state; the main article follows this understanding and other articles should use it as well. Using "Republic of China" is seriously confusing and has never been the standard way of disambiguating in English; it only appears so much on Wikipedia because for years the main article was at an awkward location. It can also refer to China between 1912 & 1949. It's high time all articles relating to Taiwan had consistent naming in line with the main article rather than spreading confusion all round. Timrollpickering (talk) 13:20, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• Here, "Taiwan" is much more confusing; I think YOUDIDN'THEAR the IP's comments or the section on this talk page opened by Jiang. The IP unfortunately missed "Taiwan Island", too. GotR ^Talk 16:05, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• I did hear but do not accept the ambiguity point as convincing, especially when compared to the use of the term "Republic of China". The common meaning of "Islands of Taiwan" means the islands that are part of the state of Taiwan as with many states that share their name with the main island/penisular/other geographic feature but which take in others. All the stuff about Provinces confuses more. Timrollpickering (talk) 17:11, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• The common meaning of "Islands of Taiwan" means...—That is unsourced, WP:OR assertion. All the stuff about Provinces confuses more—it is what it is, and if such a simple distinction is beyond your intellectual capacity, I suggest you resign your adminship at once and calmly return to drinking your fake (imported) British tea. Also, nothing about Taiwan Province is mentioned in the article at present. GotR ^Talk 18:02, 27 May 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose per the ambiguity as stated previously. --Cold Season (talk) 16:11, 27 May 2013 (UTC)
• Support There's no ambiguous at all. In wikipedia we have Taiwan covers also Kinmen, Matsu etc. And this article deals with geography, not with government. So the article should be in the common name "Taiwan". Wikipedia has Hong Kong covers Hong Kong Island, Kowloon and New Territories.Fizikanauk (talk) 01:06, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Fizikanauk/Archive GotR ^Talk 17:16, 4 June 2013 (UTC)
• Support per consistency with Taiwan and common name [1]. mgeo talk 19:46, 28 May 2013 (UTC)
• Strong oppose for this move and only this move. The other ones should be at "List of X of Taiwan" but to me, Taiwan is an island as well as being a country (somewhat like Ireland/Republic of Ireland). I am doubtlessly exposing my own ignorance but there you have it. Red Slash 03:59, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support. Consistency with Taiwan. You never see the term "Republic of China" in the international English-language media. It's always "Taiwan". Kauffner (talk) 08:48, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support. Republic of China is also ambiguous. Constitutionally if this list named under ROC should contains Hainan and etc. So this article better stays in the common name as well as other articles.5.149.147.240 (talk) 08:00, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

• "Constitutionally" is not actual control, which is the sole determining factor to inclusion. GotR ^Talk 17:16, 4 June 2013 (UTC)

• Support I really see where Red Slash is coming from, but consistency and COMMONNAME win the day for me. --BDD (talk) 21:54, 5 June 2013 (UTC)
• Support. Taiwan is the common name of both the main island and the country. Disambiguating the country by calling it by its official title is not necessary. The current title isn't bad, but I prefer using common names unless there is a compelling reason not to (as do Wikipedia guidelines, I believe).--Wikimedes (talk) 15:24, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

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Requested move 27 December 2017

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The result of the move request was: NOT MOVED (non-admin closure) Galobtter (pingó mió) 12:51, 3 January 2018 (UTC)

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List of islands of Taiwan → List of islands of Free Area of the Republic of China – This article includes Kinmen, Fujian etc. and South China Sea. Imagine a list of islands of Ireland includes Isle of Man, or worse, a list of cities in England that somehow includes Derry and Belfast. We can't lie to our readers. ibicdlcod (talk) 09:27, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

• Oppose again. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:35, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose per comments above and per Taiwan which is about the state not the island. Timrollpickering 12:20, 27 December 2017 (UTC)
• Oppose per WP:CONSISTENCY. Taiwan is the common name that refers to the Republic of Taiwan. CookieMonster755✉ 19:17, 28 December 2017 (UTC)

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To add to article

To add to article: a single map showing Taiwan and where all the island groups are located in relation to it. 76.189.141.37 (talk) 02:07, 22 January 2018 (UTC)

Tiaoyutai Islands

DO NOT REMOVE TIAOYUTAI ISLANDS IN THE ARTICLE！！！！！！ Tiaoyutai Islands is what taiwan calls Senkaku Islands. but it was a disputed island because it was also claimed by China and Japan.

Matsu Wumingdao alternately named Shi Yu 獅嶼 ?

Shi Islet is in Kinmen, but they call an island of Matsu 'Shi Yu' too. I don't know if this is informal or official. 另外，06據點距離雲記山莊也不遠。此處可遠眺大坵、獅嶼、高登等地，乃是十分重要的作戰陣地。[2] 前面的兩座小小島是「獅嶼」，像不像兩隻頭向外趴着的狮子，左边是公狮，右边是母狮 [3] Geographyinitiative (talk) 08:34, 15 September 2020 (UTC)