Talk:UEFA European Championship records and statistics

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Teams in the top eight before 1980

For these records we need to consider the quarter finalists of every edition (1960, 1964, 1968, 1972, 1976). Wales, in 1976, played against Yugoslavia in these stage of the competion in that year. The "teams finished in top eight" before 1980 are obviously eight. In these section there aren't the teams eliminated in the quarter finals from 1960 to 1976. These are the teams eliminated in quarter finals from 1960 to 1976: 1960: Austria, Romania, Portugal, Spain; 1964: Luxembourg, France, Sweden, Republic of Ireland; 1968: Bulgaria, Hungary, Spain, France; 1972: Italy, Romania, England, Yugoslavia; 1976: Wales, Soviet Union, Spain, Belgium. User:Disgusto 10:10, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Only championships. From 1960 to 1976 only top 4. Wales debut in 2016. See UEFA Euro 1976. There no Wales. Wales was in qualifying. Qualifying stage is not top 8. GAV80 (talk) 16:39, 4 July 2016 (UTC)

Wales played in the "quarter finals" or "playoffs" of that tournament. Please check it on the official UEFA site. Before 1980, the top eight teams played in the quarter finals of every tournament. If the paragraph is named "top eight" we need to consider the quarter finals of the tournaments between 1960 and 1976. I have checked it on the official UEFA site: Wales played the quarter finals of the that tournament. These are the teams eliminated in quarter finals from 1960 to 1976: 1960: Austria , Romania, Portugal, Spain; 1964: Luxembourg, France, Sweden, Republic of Ireland; 1968: Bulgaria, Hungary, Spain, France; 1972: Italy, Romania, England, Yugoslavia; 1976: Wales, Soviet Union, Spain, Belgium. We need to add: Spain: 1960, 1968, 1976 (three times more) Romania: 1960, 1972 (two times more) France: 1964, 1968 (two times more) Austria, Portugal: 1960 (one time) Sweden, Luxembourg, Republic of Ireland : 1964 (one time) Bulgaria, Hungary: 1968 (one time) Italy, England, Yugoslavia: 1972 (one time more) Wales, Soviet Union, Belgium: 1976 (one time more). You can control it on the official UEFA site. Before 1980, UEFA chose the venue to play the semifinals and finals after the quarter finals stage. The "top eight teams" were eliminated in that stage of every tournament. Please verify it on the official UEFA site. For this reason, the table is wrong. "Top eight" is different from "top four". User:Disgusto 09:45, 5 July 2016 (UTC)

Can we strip this down?

The article feels very long winded, trying to work out what needs to come out and stay. The idea is sound, however I think there is too much going on here. Govvy (talk) 13:17, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Agree. Many of the tables are unnecessary and some (e.g. Medal Count) add no new information. Tffff (talk) 17:10, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Result after full time

I'm wondering how this page treats knockout matches with extra time and penalties. Does a game count as a draw if it's tied after full time? For example:

- In the section "Highest scoring draw" we have France-Switzerland 2020 (3-3 after full time, Switzerland won on penalties). However, we do not have Croatia-Spain from the same day (3-3 after full time, 3-5 after extra time). Why is that?

- In the section "Most losses", we have Denmark 2020 listed with 3 losses. But 1 of these losses was after extra time against England. You could argue that Denmark won 3, lost 2 and drew 1.

Chewedtapes (talk) 16:19, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

In statistics, developments during extra time are counted towards the scoreline and outcome of the match, while those during penalty shoot-outs are not. Thus, Croatia vs Spain is considered a loss for Croatia and a win for Spain, while France vs Switzerland is a draw for both teams. For other purposes other conventions are used, e.g. in bookmaking it's only the score after regulation time that's significant for a general bet. --Theurgist (talk) 23:45, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

Czechoslovakia

@Aquatic Ambiance: Regarding your reversion, even if both the Czech Republic and Slovakia are considered equal successors of Czechoslovakia's records, they are two different entities now. Clearly and unambiguously, the number of "UEFA members [that] have reached the finals" (as the section itself puts it) is 36, not 35 (including Georgia, which will debut this summer), and the number of new additions to this club in 2016 is 5, not 4.

And as to whether both those teams are equal successors, have you seen the discussion here? It's the smallest country that "joins" the biggest one; it's not exactly "either both or none" in this case. --Theurgist (talk) 02:02, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

Ok, now that you've explained it it makes sense. I fixed it. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 09:16, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

It's both Khoa41860 (talk) 15:39, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

@Khoa41860: Having it as "both" is illogical and messy. Here, at least it is backed up by those pages by UEFA, but please do not apply it to World Cup articles if you don't have a citeable unambiguous statement by FIFA – that's original research and soapboxing. --Theurgist (talk) 05:10, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

@Khoa41860: You keep doing it without discussing. What if everyone started claiming inheritance this way? Then, although it was only in 2016 that the Euros were expanded to 24 teams, the inaugural one in 1960 already had 25: Czechoslovakia (2 teams), USSR (15 teams), Yugoslavia (7 teams), and France. --Theurgist (talk) 08:39, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

UEFA successor to Czechoslovakia are both Czech Republic and Slovakia, the Soviet Union successor is Russia, and Yugoslavia and later Serbia and Montenegro successor is Serbia. For USSR and Yugoslavia, the remaining countries started fresh. Khoa41860 (talk) 14:09, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

UEFA tallied the results of Czechoslovakia into both the Czech Republic and Slovakia, the Yugoslavia records into Serbia, and the Soviet Union's into Russia. For the latter two, the remaining republics started as a new country. Khoa41860 (talk) 14:15, 24 April 2024 (UTC)

"Semifinal appearance"

@Xoomia Is there any reason you want to add a table "Semifinal appearance"? Or do you just want to see your country in more tables? This article is already suffering from a lot of tables and info. We certainly don't want to add more. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 14:55, 31 March 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FIFA_World_Cup#Teams_reaching_the_top_four

Exactly this table exists in FIFA competitions. Try to act rationally instead of trying to sabotage things.

You should just talk about editing instead of making intentions.

Just because a similar table is on a different page doesn't mean it has to be on all pages. This page already is too long which has been talked about ad nauseum.

We need consensus over this before adding such a table. Stop trying to get your way. No one asked for this table. And please try to stay civil. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 08:07, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

It is not my problem that this article is filled with nonsense and useless information. The information of the top four teams is the most important part of the articles in all the articles of the football fields. The fact that the number of spectators and yellow cards and other nonsense information are pasted in the article is not a reason to remove the most important information of the matches.

Who said they don't want this table? Another user also approved my edit.

Who said they don't want this table? Another user also approved my edit. Also, on your discussion page, you received many warnings about removing the content of the articles. This shows that you insist on imposing your own opinion. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Xoomia (talk • contribs) 09:18, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

The Teams reaching the top four section is on the World Cup page, not on the statistics page. There's already the Overall team records, Medal table and Comprehensive team results by tournament so all that info is already in the article. No need to add another table. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 13:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

A medal table is appropriate for racing and similar events, but I agree that for tournaments with semi-finals (a final four) like this one, it's better to just list the teams that reached that stage – especially as there hasn't always been a definitive 3rd and 4th place. Indeed, pages on other such tournaments usually have final four tables instead.

The current table, which lists all losing semi-finalists since 1984 as "bronze medal winners" alongside the 3rd-placed teams until 1980, is original research and misleading.

In fact, in some editions since 1984 bronze medals were actually awarded to both losing semi-finalists, while in others they were not. But of course, we won't be making such distinction; this is a minor ceremoniality with no relation to the teams' achievement or ranking. --Theurgist (talk) 23:25, 2 April 2024 (UTC)