Talk:List of Scots

Captain Cook removed

I have read many books and articles on this man and i have NEVER even seen that he visited Scotland and i'am open to proof,Cook WAS english his father was from kelso thats it he left to find work in England,cooks mother WAS english,Cooks biggest influence was his fathers employer who paid for cooks schooling,he was born in Marton,grew up in Great Ayton and began seafaring in Whitby,he then joined the Royal Navy at Deptford London,there is no suggestion he was a scot none and this list works both ways its not who one WISHES to BE it is a matter of fact,same with tony blair he was born in scotland and has a scottish name to exclude him on this list makes a mockery of it...Bullseye30 (talk) 20:41, 2 November 2013 (UTC)Bullseye3020:40, 2 November 2013 (UTC) I have removed general montygomery and george patten,montgomery is just wrong and patten is just taking the pissBullseye30 (talk) 11:46, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

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Famous Scots is a repositioning of the Famous Scotsmen page. One wonders whether a No True Scot fallacy page will be forthcoming? sjc

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Tony Blair Isn't Scottish

I removed him from the list. Yes, he was born in Scotland, but he isn't Scottish. An analogy for you:

Keanu Reeves's mother was British and his father was Hawaiian\Chinese. He was born in Lebanon, but was raised in Canada. Hence, the article on Keanu Reeves says he is "British-Canadian." Not Lebanese.

Tony Blair's father was English and his mother was Irish. He was born in Scotland, but was raised in England. Hence, Tony Blair is English, not Scottish. Neither of his parents were Scottish and he was not raised in Scotland, therefore he is not Scottish.

71.246.209.4 10:31, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

He has been put back for some unexplained reason. For once the stable rejects the horse! Rcpaterson 01:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

• Scottish - Adj. - Of a person, native to or born in Scotland. Wikipedia is not a soapbox. If you are looking for an avenue to express you feelings on the relationship between race and nationality you are in the wrong place. -- IslaySolomon | talk 05:35, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment I have restored Tony Blair to the list and provided a reference from a reliable source. Personal feelings are utterly irrelevant here, Wikipedia is not a soapbox or a publisher of original thought. If you want to discuss inclusions or exclusions from this list may I suggest that you provide evidence from reliable sources and keep your opinions to yourselves. -- IslaySolomon | talk 05:49, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

I've no wish to re-open the debate about the English-style "comes from place" or the German-style "born to parents" methods of identifying nationality, but just to prevent an untruth from lurking unchallenged, it's misleading to say Blair was "not raised in Scotland" when of course he lived in Edinburgh at the start of his life, in Glasgow later on in his childhood, and later attended a school in Scotland, at Fettes College. – Kieran T ^{(talk | contribs)} 02:46, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Tony Blair was born and raised in Scotland, has a Scottish name and sounds Scottish. Many people are born and raised in Scotland from other origins and consider themselves Scottish. Are they to be excluded? My question then is, what is Tony Blair if not Scottish? Of course, the answer is on his passport, which makes this whole category rather spurious. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.145.135 (talk) 13:10, 14 May 2011 (UTC) This is what his Wikipedia page says:

Blair was born in Edinburgh, Scotland[9] on 6 May 1953,[1] the second son of Leo and Hazel Blair (née Corscadden). Leo Blair, the illegitimate[10] son of two English actors, had been adopted as a baby by Glasgow shipyard worker James Blair and his wife, Mary. Hazel Corscadden was the daughter of George Corscadden, a butcher and Orangeman who moved to Glasgow in 1916 but returned to (and later died in) Ballyshannon in 1923, where his wife, Sarah Margaret (née Lipsett), gave birth to Blair's mother, Hazel, above her family's grocery shop.[11][12] George Corscadden was from a family of Protestant farmers in County Donegal, Ireland,[13] who descended from Ulster-Scots settlers who took their family name from Garscadden,[citation needed] now part of Glasgow.

In the case of David Cameron, he is a Cameron highlander born in London. If Blair is to be considered English, then Cameron must be considered Scottish! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.139.145.135 (talk) 13:18, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

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I was under the impression Scots were of both sexes (unlike Scotsmen) so that might be why it's been moved.

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Why is there also List of Scottish writers? Is this somehow different from the entry on this page? Dduck 18:58, 25 Nov 2003 (UTC)

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How are we deciding whether someone should have an entry on this page? For example, on what grounds is William Thomson here? Marnanel 23:05, 26 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Why is Stan Laurel on this page? He was born in England. He went to school in Scotland for a bit, that's all. Ben davison 15:35, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Tony Blair is NOT Scottish - and this his by his own admission. He stated (and this is recorded in Hansard - the official record of British parliamentary proceedings) - "As an English person" and "Even though I was born in Scotland". He is therefore ENGLISH. His daughter even uses her Irish passport, thus he is equally an Irish Citizen. He has thus been removed from this list, due to his own comments on the nature of his nationality. Furthermore, kieranT, there is no English-style "comes from place" any more. This is an American style. British Nationality Law is based on British parentage since the British Nationality Act 1981 which abolished Jus Soli in our laws. If you wish to find any source more potent than the mans own words, in the only official recording in the British state, then please feel free to do so. Added to this, is the large number of SNP MSP's who were born in England to Scottish parents and clearly still regard themselves as Scots. Its not a debate, Mister Blair seems to have settled the issue of his nationality when referred to by anything other than "British".

129.215.5.138 (talk) 10:14, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Bonnie Prince Charlie?

Bonnie Prince Charlie-the "damned cowardly Italian"-is about as Scottish as 'German Geordie' or Swiss cheese. He may have been a scion of the house of Stewart, but his 'Scottish blood' was highly etiolated: far more French, Italian and Polish than anything else. Removed. Rcpaterson 00:52, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

My apologies. I have just re-instated Charlie boy. He may have been born without these shores for political reason, but I think the idea of using his genetic make-up to exclude him from this list is highly dubious if not downright racist. Brendandh 03:39, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

What's the point of this list?

It just seems to replicate a load of categories.--Nydas 17:40, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Agree, this should really all be categorised and in better order than the subsections here. Brendandh 03:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

WP:V

We could do with some sources on this article. --John (talk) 14:25, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

A list of Scots would be a tad long don't you think?

Can I add my own name here? Shouldn't this article be renamed List of notable Scots? Jack forbes (talk) 08:54, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

No, and no. See Wikipedia:Stand-alone_lists#Lists_of_people: "people should be selected for importance/notability in that category and should have Wikipedia articles". If they have articles, they will be notable, it doesn't need to be stated in the title. Similarly, Lists of people not Lists of notable people. Jonathan Oldenbuck (talk) 15:00, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Historical Scots to be immortalised at Holyrood

It looks likely that the 6 committee rooms of the Scottish Parliament will be named after famous Scots:

• "The Parliament’s corporate body agreed the proposal and set a deadline for December 31"

The names mooted are:

• John Logie Baird
• Alexander Fleming
• James Clerk Maxwell
• Adam Smith
• William Wallace
• James Watt

--Mais oui! (talk) 08:37, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Margaret MacDonald?

Would anyone object to my removing Margaret MacDonald from the list of Scottish architects? I know it seems a shame when there are currently so few women in this category, but she is listed, much more appropriately, as an artist. DavidBBG (talk) 14:05, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

That's entirely appropriate, you have my full support. She was a very fine artist, obviously married to Charles Rennie MackIntosh, and it can be argued that she had a significant input to his architectural work, but she was never an architect. Is she in an appropriate list of Scottish artists? --Cactus.man ✍ 23:16, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply, yes, she's already appropriately listed in the 'artists' category on the same page. I'll leave it a wee bit longer to see if anyone else has any comments; I'm new to Wikipedia editing and don't want to cause any hassle. Well, not just yet, anyway! DavidBBG (talk) 11:14, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

I have now removed Margaret MacDonald from the list of architects. DavidBBG (talk) 15:17, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

Expansion

Architects - Master Masons, etc, should probably include Alexander Laing, Edinburgh, but active also in Inverness and Moray, and the medical list should certinly include the Inverness born Colin Chisholm, an important writer on tropical, especially Caribbean, infectious disease between 1785 and 1820 and not a negligible figure in military medicine in the West Indies94.194.2.51 (talk) 14:37, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

• I have included Chisholm - but there is no article on Laing; so I haven't included him. Over to you to write the article! Horis (talk) 11:40, 22 September 2014 (UTC)

John Cowie

Is there evidence this is someone of importance? I can't trace a page for him.Horis (talk) 18:55, 29 August 2020 (UTC)