Talk:List of Attack on Titan characters

It's Levi, not Rivaille.

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For consistency we're using Kodansha USA's official spelling: "Levi"—KirtZ^Message 17:26, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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Nowhere in any official source is his name "Rivaille". The scanlators that use "Rivaille" are known for their frequent mistantranslations of character names, along with their terrible grammar and generally poor use of English. The official English version of the manga, published by Kodansha, uses Levi. Isayama, the mangaka, said he got the name from a boy in Jesus Camp. As you can see by checking the article and other sources, nowhere in the documentary is there a person named Rivaille. However, there is a young boy named Levi. There is literally nothing out there stating Levi's name is Rivaille except for faulty scanlations and misinformed fanpages, unless you can prove otherwise please stop making unnecessary reversions and edits. 74.101.24.148 (talk) 23:33, 23 May 2013 (UTC)

Rivaille was indeed a fan translation. It seems that Kodansha USA uses Levi in the Manga, which we will be going with. —KirtZ^Message 17:26, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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Regarding Hanji/Hansi

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For consistency we're using Kodansha USA's official spelling: "Zoë Hange"—KirtZ^Message 17:13, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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Hmm not sure about this because I don't know if it's sourced anywhere, but I believe this character is actually named Hansi, and not Hanji. Hanji is a male Japanese name, which does not fit because Mikasa is supposed to be of Asian descent, while the other characters have mostly German names. Hansi is a unisex German name, appropriate given Isayama has deliberately avoided stating this character's gender.

Can anyone find a source, perhaps? Bereou (talk) 02:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

Kodansha's name is used, whatever that may be. <KirtZJ>^Talk 02:31, 2 July 2013 (UTC)

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"The Titan that caused the death of Reiner and Bertolt's friend years earlier, even though they initially suspect that Ymir is the Titan responsible."

Umm no. Do you people even read this manga? The Ape Titan wasn't the one who ate Bertolt and Reiner's friend, it was Ymir. It's not a mystery of any kind and they even discuss it in the recent chapters. (186.30.139.52 (talk) 15:17, 14 July 2013 (UTC))

The problem was that you didn't explain your edit in the Edit Summary, taking an extra five seconds to do so avoids things like this. <KirtZJ>^Talk 19:15, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

The necessity of spoilers.

I happened to skim the contents of this page looking for the name of a specific character, only to find out the identity of the armoured titan. Is that kind of late-plot information really required for a page that very briefly summarises characters? 171.98.46.61 (talk) 09:41, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

WP:SPOILER says yes.—Ryulong (琉竜) 11:03, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Exactly what Ryulong said. KirtZJ^Talk 17:54, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

Eren Jaegar

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We're using Kodansha USA's official spelling: "Yeager"—KirtZ^Message 15:42, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

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Isn't Jaegar supposed to be the actual Spelling while Yeagar? --(B)～（ー．ー）～(Z) (talk) 11:16, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

The official translation is Yeager.—Ryulong (琉竜) 11:30, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

If you use german names, you'd go with Jäger (Hunter) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.97.86.20 (talk) 09:38, 5 October 2013 (UTC)

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Character Descriptions

About the short character descriptions of the 104th Trainees Corp based on Chapter 18, should we change it into Kodansha USA translations or no?

I'll leave the character descriptions here made by Kodansha based on Ch. 18 and also adding in the Character Introductions page on volume 5 just in case:
Order based on how it was presented in Chapter 18.
First description is from Chapter 18. Second description is from the Character Introductions page on volume 5.

• Reiner Braun
  • He's strong as an ox and has the will to match. But more than anything, he's earned the trust of his comrades.
  • Graduated second on his training corps. Reiner is as strong as an ox and has the will to match. His comrades have a great deal of trust in him.
• Armin Arlert
  • When it comes to physical strength, he doesn't measure up to soldier standards. But I hear that in the classroom lectures, he's shown extraordinary imagination.
  • Eren and Mikasa's childhood friend. Though Armin isn't athletic in the least, he is an excellent thinker and can produce unique ideas.
• Annie Leonhart
  • The angle of her slashing attack is impeccable. She carves deeply into the target. Personality-wise, she tends to be a loner and has trouble cooperating.
  • Annie's small stature belies her great skill in the art of hand-to-hand combat. She's a realist through and through and tends to be a loner.
• Bertolt Hoover
  • He's mastered every single skill that's been taught...And I believe he has a lot of potential...But he lacks drive and tends to leave decisions to others.
  • Has a high degree of skill in everything he's been taught, but is indecisive and lacks initiative.
• Jean Kirstein
  • He has a deep understanding of the Vertical Maneuvering Equipment and at excels at exploiting that skill...He can also take in a situation at a moment's glance, but his personality is like a drawn sword, which tends to create conflict.
  • Superior at Vertical Maneuvering. Jean is honest to a fault, which often puts him at odds with other people.
• Connie Springer
  • He has a fine sense of balance and is effective at Vertical Maneuvering. However, he's got a slow mind and often makes strategic mistakes.
  • Effective at Vertical Maneuvering, but slow on the uptake, so his comprehension of tactics is less than stellar.
• Sasha Blouse
  • She moves quickly and has remarkable instincts...But she has issues with structure, making her ill-suited for organized activity.
  • Sasha is very agile and has remarkable instincts. Owing to her unconventionality, she isn't suited for organized activity.
• Mikasa Ackerman
  • She's mastered every single difficult subject perfectly. Her talent is historically unprecedented, making her the most valuable of them all.
  • Mikasa graduated at the top of her training corps. Her parents were murdered before her eyes when she was a child. After that, she was raised alongside Eren, whom she tenaciously tries to protect.
• Eren Yeager
  • Though proficient at barehanded fighting, he doesn't seem to have any other skills...But he possesses a sense of purpose that's twice as strong as anyone else's. Through his constant effort, his grades have steadily improved.
  • Longing for the world outside the wall, Eren aims to join the Survey Corps. He can turn himself into a Titan.

Others from the 104th Training Corp Graduates not included in Ch. 18 but has a small description in the Character Introductions page of Vol.5:

• Marco Bott
  • Yearned to join the Military Police Brigade so he could serve the king. Marco died during the Titan mop-up operation.
• Krista Lenz
  • Extremely short, with a friendly, warm-hearted personality.

Saurers123 (talk) 03:35, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

We shouldn't use them at all. All text should be original. Any unsourced direct quotes should be deleted.—Ryulong (琉竜) 04:03, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

This is taken from the official translations of Volume 4 and Volume 5 by Kodansha USA. Of course, I don't mean directly quoting the books. Just basing things from there, since most of the descriptions currently written in the character summaries are based on fan scanlations.Saurers123 (talk) 04:14, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

While I support official media, I don't believe usurping the current descriptions in favor of stretching official short descriptions is warranted here. I should add, most of the available "fan scanlations" available only mis-translate the character names as pointed on Talk:Attack on Titan but the general information is understandable. I don't see them going out of their way to deceive people with inaccurate plot. The current descriptions available are already accurate and cover the broad character spectra available including the aforementioned information while most even include information taken directly from the Japanese Wikipedia article. In addition to avoid redundancy; this might be a non issue. KirtZ^Message 05:03, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the replies. So should I erase the quotes or just leave it here? Saurers123 (talk) 05:25, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

No problem. That should probably fine, you can leave them in the spirit of discussion. KirtZ^Message 05:32, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Does anyone else have access to Kodansha USA's manga volumes? If so it might be helpful to further expand this list to provide a general reference point to settle any and all AoT naming disputes. KirtZ^Message 15:52, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Yes, I just confirmed the top ten cadet spellings from the Kodansha English Volume 1. Will still have to look at Volume 5 which came out in June. If you plan on paraphrasing the volume 5 ones, add a citation to the profiles and that should be okay. -AngusWOOF (talk) 01:58, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Hanji and their nongender-binaryness

I'm fairly sure the creator of Attack on Titan has stated that Hanji/Hange has no specific gender - they are not addressed by she or he pronouns in the manga. The anime has given them female pronouns, however most agree this is due to a lack of actual specific instruction to have Hanji remain gender neutral and the fact that they appear to be of the female sex. Thus I think Hanji should be addressed specifically with they/them pronouns only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.84.238.186 (talk) 17:17, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

On his blog, Isayama responded to a question about Hanji's gender with "If I'm getting this kind of question, it seems better not to reveal their gender lol". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.5.66.48 (talk) 16:25, 29 December 2013 (UTC)

This is just all stuff taken out of context and conflated by the Tumblr community who have to obsess over what her gender is and does not belong on Wikipedia. If one form of the media treats her as a woman, when other media does not, then Wikipedia reports on what is available. Kodansha USA's wishy washy responses do not count as reliable sources.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 06:57, 16 January 2014 (UTC)

Kodansha USA manga volume 5 refers to Hange as female: (bolding as shown in the comic), chapter 20:

• Levi: Although I doubt she'll keep her mouth shut. If she screws up while poking and prodding you, it may be the death of you Eren.
• Eren: Eh? She?
• Zoe: Hi there, Squad Levi! Is the castle comfortable?
• Levi: Her.
• Eren: Squad leader Hange.
• Zoe: I'm currently handling the examination of the two titans that were captured in town.

Not sure how this is wishy-washy. Are there other chapters that change this? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:29, 27 June 2015 (UTC)

Okay, this article should end the debate: [1]

Zoe is back to being gender ambiguous. Yes, it involves that Kodansha tumblr, but since Kodansha USA stated it would reprint volume 5 to be gender neutral means they took it seriously. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:22, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 March 2014

Add the third set of revealed English voice actors, confirmed directly by Funimation via their official Tumblr. The additions are as follows:

Levi - Matthew Mercer

Petra - Caitlin Glass

Hange - Jessica Calvello

Daz - Brad Venable

Bertholdt - David Matranga

Franz - James Chandler

Rico - Morgan Garrett

Pyxis - R Bruce Elliott

Nack - Will Short

98.250.7.156 (talk) 22:24, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

 Done—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 23:08, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but you misspelled Matthew Mercer's name (you left out the "c"). -- 98.250.7.156 (talk) 23:52, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Done Cannolis (talk) 01:55, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 March 2014

Add the fourth set of confirmed English voice actors:

Mikasa – Trina Nishimura

Hugo – Tyson Rinehart

Ian – Scott Freeman

Milieus – Joel McDonald

Mina – Alexis Tipton

Mitabi – Kyle Hebert

Mobb – Matthew Ham

98.250.7.156 (talk) 22:10, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Two of these characters are not listed though.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 22:37, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but you linked to Matthew Ham the Australian goalkeeper, not the actor. -- 98.250.7.156 (talk) 23:20, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Oops.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 23:41, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2014

Remove the link for James Chandler, I don't think it's the same person. 50.174.143.19 (talk) 06:58, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Sorry this was not noticed. I do not have this talkpage on my watchlist, I watch for semi-protected edit requests. For future reference, creating new talk page sections with the heading of a semi-protected edit request does not activate that template and thus the script that manages it does not list it as an edit request. You would need to use the request template you used with your first request. This request has been done as noted below. Cannolis (talk) 14:36, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Upon a second look, it appears that you did use the appropriate template, but instead inexplicably chose to manually remove 1 2 3the template that would've notified me and other volunteers that use the same bot. As for the red links for actors that do not have pages yet, see WP:REDLINK, and feel free to create those articles yourself as you see fit. Regarding the other concerns you have expressed lower down on this page, the page was protected as editors were adding information without citing reliable sources as per Wikipedia policy. If you feel the page no longer requires protection, feel free to make a request for unprotection at the appropriate page. Cannolis (talk) 15:34, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2014

You guy need to removed the links for all the voice actors who don't have pages, or just make them. PS the link for James Chandler isn't the same guy, so please remove that too. 50.174.143.19 (talk) 07:09, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2014

Can you guys please unlock the page, there is no need to lock it. Why did you did it? 50.174.143.19 (talk) 07:18, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2014

The link to James Chandler (Franz's English VA) currently directs to the page for the Franke Institute for the Humanities director, not the voice actor. As the latter does not have a Wikipedia page yet, either this needs to be changed to an appropriate redlink, or the link needs to be removed outright. 136.181.195.25 (talk) 14:20, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Done Thanks, removed the link. Google searches for James Chandler and Attack on Titan don't really show anything to suggest this actor meets WP:N, same with an imdb search for James Chandler - none of the hits with any acting roles match this one. Don't feel a redlink is appropriate at this time as there is essentially nothing with which to create an article with. Cannolis (talk) 14:33, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2014

Can you add this.

Armin - Josh Grelle
Reiner - Robert McCollum
Annie - Lauren Landa
Samuel - David Trosko
Thomas - Duncan Brannan
Tom - Tyler Walker
Wald - Barry Yandell
Kitz Weilmann - Christopher Sabat

Those are the newest dub cast announcements, can you please add it. 50.174.143.19 (talk) 16:48, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Please provide a source.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Go to the FUNimation website if you don't believe me, I'm not lying. Somebody uploaded a video to YouTube and that's defiantly Josh Grelle as Armin, he sounds just like Kenichi. 50.174.143.19 (talk) 18:12, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

That content is still locked for non-subscribers. I suggest waiting a couple hours for the PUBLIC announcement, when there's an actual non-hidden source to link to, THEN add it to the page. (Also, "sounds like" is not good enough evidence.) -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 18:30, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm not lying that really is the official announcents, please just add them already. I swear I'm not lying to you. 50.174.143.19 (talk) 18:51, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

If it's real, they'll announce it in a few hours when the next public cast announcement goes live. Unless you've got a different link to the official confirmation that can be used, it won't kill you to wait until then. -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 19:08, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Here a link to prove to you that I'm not lying.[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.174.143.19 (talk) 19:18, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Unless PrettySoldierSailorJ is a Funimation employee, which I very much doubt, we can't use that. Like I said, it won't kill you to wait a few hours for the news to be made official. -- 136.181.195.25 (talk) 19:23, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Here is the link to the FUNimation webisite.[3] Now do you believe me? 50.174.143.19 (talk) 22:00, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

It is not that no one believed you. It is that there was no reliable source that could be used to verify the information you requested to be added.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:51, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Can't we merge these discussions? They all have the same titles, are about the same thing and frankly, just looks bad. —KirtZ^Message 16:18, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Each one is about a new release of information and it's easier for the anons to set it up this way, I think.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 19:22, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Germanic names and translations

I think a lot of the names here are badly translated and romanized. The series is definitely set in a germanic setting as all the names have germanic roots and sounds. Indicators for this are names such as "Armin", "Ackermann", "Braun", "Wagner" and "Bertholdt". Thus a lot of the names should be corrected to more common german ones. Suggestions for this:

• Jäger intead of Yeager
• Ackermann with two N at the end
• Rainer with an A
• Huber instead of Hoover

Chaosof99 (talk) 19:48, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

These are the official spellings, so we are not changing them.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:38, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

We're using the names of the Manga as released by Kodansha USA. —KirtZ^Message 17:22, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Wouldn't the correct spelling (and at least in some cases the translation) be interesting/relevant additional information, though? In case you agree: "Jäger" means "hunter" (but also denotes a type of infantry among other things) and "Kirschstein" (the correct spelling for "Kirstein") means "cherry stone". And while we're at it, Ymir is the name of the first giant (and possibly the first being) in Norse mythology, whose corpse was used to create the world. 2003:7A:4F6B:2900:60F9:96EB:1740:54C9 (talk) 21:35, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

Some additional information of which I'm not sure where it belongs (or if it belongs in a Wikipedia article at all): Zeke's name could also be transcribed as "Sieg", which means "victory", and Eren's name is quite close to "Ehren", which means "honours" (though a better transcription into Japanese would be "エーレン"). So their full names work (more or less) as compound nouns. "Ehrenjäger" and "Siegjäger", while not in actual use, would be understood by any native speaker as "honour hunter" (or "honorary hunter") and "victory hunter", respectively. (In case of the latter, "Siegesjäger" would be better, but German compound nouns are tricky.) Also, "Grice" could be transcribed as "Greis". I don't expect this name's meaning ("old man") to have any significance, though. 2001:16B8:68D2:BB00:740E:570D:B0B7:7C93 (talk) 22:15, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Guest and minor characters

Should characters such as Braun / Moses be retained on the list? He's only there for the prologue for episode 1 and then his arm appears for a minute. Hugo only lasts two episodes. There are a bunch of squad members (Nack Tius, Milieus Zeramuski) who are mentioned in passing that they are killed, or have hardly a minute of screen time. Granted they aren't notable as Eren's mother, but do they really need to be on the list? -AngusWOOF (talk) 14:51, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

They were cast and probably appear for more than just "one or two episodes" in the manga version, so what took one week to tell in a single episode was expanded upon for months in the manga.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 15:10, 2 June 2014 (UTC)

Nope, manga version volume 1, he has the same amount of page time as in the anime (mom calls for him, and gets the arm). At least in the anime, he is mentioned briefly in a subtitle, but this is hardly noting. Same with the other members that die that are mentioned in passing. -AngusWOOF (talk) 00:00, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

The 104 Training Corps list will be revisited in volume 4 which has the training chapters. I have grouped some of them that still appear to be guest-level appearances under "other members".-AngusWOOF (talk) 18:21, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Proposed merge with Eren Yeager

I did not really see much of a reason to split off the content on Eren to its own separate article. Most of the article (written by Tintor2) just consists of extremely closely copied quotations from the sources he cites and the rest is the plot summary that had been on this article (expanded). Our coverage seemed to be fine before. —Ryūlóng (琉竜) 05:21, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Comment: Is there much notability for Eren outside of the series? Yes, he is in a Newtype character poll, but that is in the context of a bunch of polls in which Attack on Titan is highly ranked. How is his impact on popular culture? Are there parodies of Eren being developed? -AngusWOOF (talk) 19:02, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Added two polls.Tintor2 (talk) 21:19, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

A bunch of popularity polls and the English speaking fandom's unusually vociferous nature does not mean that the character is independently notable.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 21:22, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

The article does provide several reliable third-party and polls are just there to enhance it. Besides, I wasn't even talking to you.Tintor2 (talk) 22:41, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

@Tintor2: regardless, there are other issues in the main article such as inflation or just really quoting the wrong aspects about Eren Yeager. I would be happy to modify it myself, but lack of responce tells me that if i do, it'll be reverted and be told to discuss it. Lucia Black (talk) 00:16, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

@Lucia Black:Actually, I would like you cooperating with me. I've tried removing the pointless quotes and adding more reception but I'm not sure if the criticism is good.Tintor2 (talk) 23:18, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm reviewing the reception section, and i noticed that certain reception information is based on isolated events in the story. Some of it is unclear on what point its exactly trying to make. It feels like inflation or maybe just quoting the wrong aspects. Lucia Black (talk) 01:54, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

He concluded "Eren is the heart of humanity, and humanity is a Special Thing that deserves to not only survive, but thrive". ^^What exactly is this suppose to mean for Eren as a character? Lucia Black (talk) 21:09, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I'm just now having the time to read this article. From what I can see, as Lucia might be trying to point out (or not?) the third party sources mainly are anime reviews and Eren just happens to be in there. Not exactly sure this qualifies as individual notability and internet polls are just that, internet polls, which can come from anywhere, fansites or reputable websites. As Ryulong might be trying to establish. At any rate, all Eren has going for him, as far as I can see is that he is the MC of Attack on Titan, and while that is notable, that notability alone might not be all that is needed to warrant his own article. If the character has influenced pop culture in some way or something else as AngusWOOF mentioned, I could accept that. I was having a similar issue with the far less notable Yamato Hotsuin page awhile back but that ended up being kept for whatever reason. —KirtZ^Message 05:12, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

What i'm saying is that reception should cover them as a character. And not pointing out "he is the heart of examination". or something vague that doesn't sound positive insight or "reception" on the character. Lucia Black (talk) 05:46, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

Performed a mini-clean up.Tintor2 (talk) 15:07, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

The tidiness of the articles isn't important. It's how the content does not support the character's notability.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 17:56, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Also character polls within the series shouldn't count, unless there's something at stake from the voters, like the AKB48 elections (1 vote per CD purchased). If some critics or secondary media give him some year-end media award, that would be better. -AngusWOOF (talk) 18:22, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

I've returned the articles to their state prior to Tintor2's development of a separate article on Eren.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 07:14, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Alright. But let's not be too hard on Tintor. From working with him in the past, we should take his contributions on good faith. —KirtZ^Message 13:28, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

I've been busy. i havent had a time to fix the issues i saw. Working on articles such as Stand Alone Complex and Ergo Proxy. anyways.....what it really needs is quoting the right parts of the source and summarizing the right parts. and hopefully that will give it that extra shine on the reception section. Lucia Black (talk) 13:33, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

Rework

I've reworked the reception section here. Thoughts? Anybody willing to help is welcome.Tintor2 (talk) 22:27, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Hello?Tintor2 (talk) 00:38, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

No separate page.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 01:47, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

That doesn't explain anything.Tintor2 (talk) 01:59, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

We've already decided here that there is no utility to separate articles fro any of the individual characters of this manga just because you can find a bunch of reviews on Anime News Network that mention them as being an enjoyed aspect of the whole.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 02:07, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

No, we decided that the reviews didn't mention the character well so it didn't pass notability before.Tintor2 (talk) 02:09, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

The reception is by far a quite better; now its mentions the character in a real world perspective ("a frustrating protagonist", "typical shonen manga lead") instead of the in-universe perspective ("humanity's last hope"). Concerns: The phrase "how it "destroy[ed]" the enemies" is in-universe; "and later found there were enough hints Eren was such Titan" is not a critical commentary, just speculation; is Articife a RS?; the second paragraph of "Creation and design" seems Papenbrook's feelings on the character instead of the character's development itself. Gabriel Yuji (talk) 02:36, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Redid. Articife was taken from google RS. Also trimmed Papenbrook's comment.Tintor2 (talk) 02:44, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Recreated after expanding it a bit more.Tintor2 (talk) 23:15, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

You still do not have consensus for this creation. Please stop it with these standalone articles.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 23:22, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean? There were no comments on the discussion. The only opposition was yours but it had nothing legit to go against the making of this article. The other commenter appeared to support the making of this article. The article passes WP:Notability, has most of its previous issues fixed, and has enough weight. Why shouldn't it stand on its own?Tintor2 (talk) 23:52, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

What do you mean? There was all the discussion beforehand.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 00:08, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

I have to back up what Ryulong is saying. There is no sense in having a standalone article for Eren. For crying out loud, even manga characters as notable as Inuyasha do not have their on pages. This is ridiculous. Name me one character that has an individual article that could stand as a precedent for the creation of this article. Chambr (talk) 01:54, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

ChrisGualtieri reverted me reverting Tintor2 because he has it in his head that an AFD is necessary and this whole discussion that took place twice is irrelevant. I've restored the redirect, again. We do not have to wait for a week of AFD to make a while new consensus, again.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 14:08, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

But for the sake of transparency, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Eren Yeager.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 14:12, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

You saved yourself from a report by correctly doing that. The content clearly passes N and GNG and must be checked by the community at AFD in this situation, as policy states. Complaints from "other characters don't have pages" like Chambr is irrelevant because each stand alone page needs to meet the requirements. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 14:40, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

But you're wrong though. This one is just full of inconsequential fluff and despite being the main character of this media there's no significant coverage of him. There's significant coverage of the anime and manga but none for him. And also we decided that the article wasn't worthy here we don't need AFD for fucks sake.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 14:47, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Just because you say something doesn't make it true. You've single-handedly stagnated the Tokusatsu area and made it clear how you despise anime and manga "fandom" regardless of the information's source. It is ironic how you constantly complain about other's work and do no content building yourself - save the TV Guide style episode listings and character lists. Not sure why you just have to complain about editors getting the content to GA and FA - afterall, that's the point of Wikipedia. To improve content and coverage for readers to examine at both the macro and micro level. The opposition to even basic improvements results in stagnation that become a self-fulling prophecy for you - that such content will never be improved. And that's because you insist upon standing in its way and attempting to delete or purge something you disagree with. In all your years on Wikipedia, the bulk of your edits are removing other people's work - not adding your own. You are so petty that even on your own subjects you remove the summaries "before they air" and personally replace them afterwards. WP:OWN is just the tip of the iceberg with that battleground mentality. Continue to complain as you wish, but stop disrupting Wikipedia already. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 17:40, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

What a load of bullshit. We had a standing consensus on this page that the spun-out article on this character was not necessary. The only reason we're at this point is because you had to catch me making it a redirect again, based on the standing consensus, and your completely unfounded demands that WP:BLAR, a guideline and not a hardline policy, must be maintained. There is nothing on Eren Yeager that cannot be discussed anywhere else on the project. We have plenty of information here on the character's creation and the English dub that does not need to be expounded upon in a bunch of useless fluffery that is Tintor2's article.

And I've not stagnated anything in the other topic area so you need to stop making those accusations already. I've written up plenty of articles, and expanded plenty of articles, outside of the "TV Guide style episode listings and character lists". And so what if that's all I focus on. I make sure things are set up right, that they're properly sourced, and that they use the English language forms that actually exist rather than whatever garbage translations that go around in the illegal fansubbing communities. And the "before they air" stuff is because it's not sourced because the source material isn't available to write from. And half of the time it's just plain wrong because they're writing on all this material that they think is going to happen in the episode and it doesn't. And this is what you call stagnation. Pointing out that an article cannot stand on its own when there's only a single source about it and just turning it into a redirect that can be made again later.

And all this shit about FA and GA blocking god just because I disagreed with you on the Ghost in the Shell garbage. I'm sorry I ever crossed your path on that shit.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 18:42, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

For the record Chris, I was just using Inuyasha as an example, but the article should have never been created since the consensus was already reached, as Ryulong is referring to, especially considering the issue with sourcing the article in question. That being said, try and keep a cool head, Ryulong. The language is a little overboard. We are all editors here. Chambr (talk) 23:30, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Also, I would like to say that this new version of the article is looking a lot better though. I really like it, I just think it needs some better sources. Apart from that, I don't think we will have a problem getting some good sources as the show has really been taking off lately. It has been a good rework though, Tintor2. Chambr (talk) 23:47, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Consensus can change - WP:CCC - and the extensive rework by Tintor 2 goes a long way. The old version - I don't think I would have supported it because it didn't do enough. Though I seen the same issue with Dragonball Z and such... so... probably could have discussed it more in retrospect. Anyways, let's let it run the course and if not - wait a bit longer. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 06:48, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

cadet rankings?

Why are the specific cadet rankings notable? Isn't it enough to say that Eren ranked in the top ten of his class? It's not like they are playing ladder matches for the series, or wear that number on their uniforms. -AngusWOOF (talk) 17:09, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I'm assuming it was an important plot point in the early chapters that spent more time on training than the anime did.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 17:53, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

I've read the first volume in the manga, they skip the training period and just list the graduating rankings of the top ten in two pages. The only ones who are mentioned more than that page are Eren, in his character profile for volume 2 only, and Mikasa who is mentioned as top of her class. I guess we should keep it based on the character profiles later mentioned in volume 5. -AngusWOOF (talk) 00:02, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

I've tweaked the lead description for that list of characters to clarify how the manga and anime treat the rankings. Connie is also referred to as number eight briefly in the manga. -AngusWOOF (talk) 15:41, 24 August 2014 (UTC)

Tags of various kinds

AngusWOOF, it seems to me that the very plethora of detail in this "article" is evidence enough of "fansite issues". I'm going to reinstate that particular tag--at least as long as there's 80k of text like this, "Thinking about Krista and her selfless acts, Ymir smiles knowing that playing god is not so bad." Drmies (talk) 23:41, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

You can tag those descriptions as fansite but some of the character descriptions have been scrubbed for neutrality. However, the cast announcements, closing credits, and in-volume author's notes are reliable sources, so I have removed that tag. -AngusWOOF (talk) 23:47, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

• I don't think you get it at all. The tag says "Some or all of this article's listed sources may not be reliable". It doesn't say "none of them are reliable". Will you please reread my statement and your answer, and then read the tag again, and then draw the appropriate conclusion? Thank you. And I understand that these things are hard to swallow, esp. the fan site--since I'm going to guess that you are a fan. Drmies (talk) 00:07, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Can you tag the specific sources that you think are not reliable then? That would be more useful than a blanket "it's all wrong" tag, go figure it out yourself, which is what unreliable fansite implies. If the Funimation Blog cast announcements by Funimation staff bother you, I have provided one from a secondary source (Crunchyroll) plus the cite episodes themselves which have them in the closing credits. -AngusWOOF (talk) 00:18, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

I don't have those appropriate inline tags in my regular arsenal, sorry. But Funimation is the licensing operation, so they're not a secondary source. Blog.livedoor.jp is a blog, an apparent fan site. http://geek-news.mtv.com is alright, I suppose, but what's linked is an interview, hardly secondary in-depth discussion. ANN is an industry site. crunchyroll is...well, not an RS, and no one could call this reliable secondary sourcing; it's commercial information for fans. I doubt that anyone would call this a reliable source, and I've already mentioned Natalie. That covers almost all of the sourcing in this article, which has 80,000 bytes of information. But it's no secret that our anime coverage betrays us as a fan site, as Eren Yeager verifies as well, which floats on blogs, industry websites, and fan sites. Drmies (talk) 19:23, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Cast announcements fall in WP:PASI, WP:PRIMARY, and WP:SELFPUB and should not be a bother when they are just covering facts and basic descriptions. Similarly, descriptive information about the character itself that's considered WP:BOOKPLOT should not require secondary sources. Now I do agree that the extensive fancruft paragraphs about Krista and Ymir still need to be reduced to basic factual description, but arguing over whether cast credits require secondary reliable sources is just an exercise in frustration. And if you don't think Scott Green's note from Crunchyroll for reposting a cast announcement in his own words to make a primary source a secondary one, I can replace it with one from Anime News Network. But I shouldn't have to. -AngusWOOF (talk) 21:30, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Article Issues

I don't agree with a few of the listed article issues I note below. Note I have not read this entire page as I am halfway through the series and dont want to read too much.

-This article may contain an excessive amount of intricate detail that may only interest a specific audience.

Just scrolling though the page there are only a few characters who seem to have larger than necessary sections. The ones I see are:

• Krista Lenz
• Ymir
• Nile Dok
• Djel Sanes

Editing down 4 paragraphs should not be hard but I have to leave it to those who have finished the series. I'm not sure that these four alone are worth tagging the article for intricate detail however.

-This article's plot summary may be too long or excessively detailed.

The articles summary is one line long. Perhaps someone changed it and did not remove the tag. Unless there is an unseen reason this tag should be removed.

-This article may rely excessively on sources too closely associated with the subject, preventing the article from being verifiable and neutral.

The article is a list of characters in one series. The only sources for this article should be the series (perhaps with exception of the voiced by information which could come from elsewhere). Unless someone can give reason otherwise, I don't see how this tag applies.

Washyleopard (talk) 21:20, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Feel free to trim those four (and other) character descriptions down. The article should not have to wait until the manga series is complete (who knows when that will happen) to have decently referenced and neutral, non-crufty descriptions of the characters. That you have read through half of the published volumes so far should give you plenty of references for the majority of characters on the list. -AngusWOOF (talk) 21:26, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

---This entire page was horribly written. I'm actually more confused after having forced myself to read it. Were any of the editors actually fluent in English, or was the Japanese original simply run through Google Translate into Hungarian and then English? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:C:AD80:8AD:A096:A63:15F1:C3B0 (talk) 12:17, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

WP:SOFIXIT. If you see statements that don't make sense, reword them so that they do. It can also be sent to WP:COPYEDITORS but I want to make sure the content is sourced. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:22, 14 July 2015 (UTC)

Levi and Historia as main characters?

Can someone confirm that the manga is bumping Levi and Historia to main character status? Do they have large profile boxes as with Eren, Mikasa, and Armin? Which volume does that happen? AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 08:22, 11 August 2015 (UTC)

As for volume 11 and the Guidebook that supports 1-11, they are still supporting characters, not grouped with the first three. Also Historia is still referred to as Krista through volume 16. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 17:15, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Nine Titans-related

As you know, there are the Nine Titans that were born from the soul of Ymir Fritz and the forms of these Nine Titans are inherited when the previous owner dies which would also explain how there were different incarnations of the Attack Titan, the Colossal Titan, the Armored Titan, the Female Titan, the Beast Titan, the Founding Titan, the Jaw Titan, the Cart Titan, and the as-yet-unseen Warhammer Titan. Is there a way to list this kind of info somewhere on the character page? --Rtkat3 (talk) 15:58, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

I think there is already a Ymir Fritz section. The other Titans could be listed in their respective human characters.Tintor2 (talk) 16:24, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Of course Armin is the latest person to become the Colossal Titan after Zeke Yeager orchestrated events that had Armin turned into a Titan and had him eat a weakened Bertolt. In addition, Grisha Yeager also had an Attack Titan form. --Rtkat3 (talk) 17:43, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

Rtkat3, please use names from the manga series and not made-up designations like Attack Titan, Jaw Titan or Cart Titan. And do not add them unless they have been profiled in the manga. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 18:56, 30 July 2017 (UTC)

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Reiner is not a main

Please see profiles for the manga, Reiner is grouped among the 104th class in the profiles. If that has changed, please supply the volumes that indicate he has been bumped to main. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:15, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Terminology needs to be cleaned up

Please confirm which of the terms that are used in the Viz English language version as per the manga

• Coordinate, Coordinator, or Founding Titan?
• Titan Shifter
• Eldian
• Marleyan
• Progenitor Titan

Please discuss here and whether the anime uses a different term. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 20:41, 23 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 July 2021

Change Hisotria to Historia (Wrong spelling):

However, having learned of the Founding Titan's curse of complacence in the face of adversity, Hisotria refuses. Wikilover427 (talk) 14:00, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

 Done ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:07, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

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Should we give Mikasa, Armin, and Levi their own Wikipedia Articles?

I mean they are some of the main characters. Dangervest69 (talk) 21:21, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

Possibly but their importance in the series is not the key. When it comes to fictional characters, we follow the guideline Wikipedia:Notability, most specifically GNG. We have to find real world information by third party sources that focus on them similar to Eren's reception section or, like this article that explore the character from different point of views from the media. Mikasa has that article that explores as well. Awards and polls are also helpful. Levi is also quite of a break out character too considering his spin-off prequel but I don't have too much knowledge about it. Since nearly the entire series has been reviewed episode per episode by several sites like ANN, Fandom Post and Manga.Tokyo I see the possibility of the characters being able to pass notability but I'd suggest working at least in sandboxes before the creation of article. I specficically say this because some time ago a user rushed One Piece article by copypasting the wiki articles and had to be undone.Tintor2 (talk) 21:57, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

ok then maybe we could do this when the anime finishes in 2023? Dangervest69 (talk) 22:44, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

There is no limit or anything in regards to guidelines. If you want to work on it, feel free to do it but remember the importance of real world information. Eren's article is kinda big since he is the lead so I suggest reading other supporting characters articles from the project to use as an example like the ones from Rurouni Kenshin, D.Gray-man, Jujutsu Kaisen, etc.Tintor2 (talk) 22:54, 25 July 2022 (UTC)

ok thank you Dangervest69 (talk) 20:14, 29 July 2022 (UTC)

Created an article for Mikasa Ackerman after finding reviews, article focused on her and several awards. Feel free to expand the sections.Tintor2 (talk) 19:59, 10 March 2023 (UTC)

Is Levi a main character?

Since Levi has been gaining a lot of attention and is featured a lot, should he be counted as a main character? Dangervest69 (talk) 12:25, 7 August 2022 (UTC)