Talk:Linate Airport disaster

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I'm not sure this passage is accurate: "Having lost the port side landing gear, power failure grounded the plane and Gustafsson tried to slow the plane through its aerodynamic surfaces. The manoeuver was judged so perfect that it is now incorporated into SAS technical manuals. "

The takeoff speed of a MD-87 is probably around 270 Km/h, and the impact speed of 250 km/hr is not far off it. I'm not an authority in this matter, but I would bet the pilot had exceeded the point of no return, called the "balanced field length" in avionics (see: Airliner Takeoff Speeds), and was actually trying to fly the plane rather than stop it. Raylopez99 14:27, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

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From the current version of the article - it is not clear what was the Cessna doing - taxiing/landing/or taking off? --Roman 21:01, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Copyright?

This article virtually identical to same at answers.com Plutonium27 23:30, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

That's probably because answers.com blatantly rips off Wikipedia.--Prosfilaes 08:10, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

It's not a blatant rip-off - Wikipedia is licensed under GFDL, which means anyone can reuse our articles. That's what "free" content is all about! AKRadecki^Speaketh 13:17, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Aircraft type

Just a note here, the German Corporate Jet was not a Citation II as shown in the photo, it was a Cessna CJ2 a different type altogether. All information on this crash can be found at http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20011008-1 . —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.103.80.222 (talk) 02:28, August 25, 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt. Now corrected. 82.1.57.194 (talk) 07:59, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

SAS English press releases

http://se.yhp.waymaker.net/sasgroup/press-allPressReleases.asp lists all press releases of SK - Set it to September 2001 and you get a lot of them. - Many seem to be duplicates of one another, but I am linking to all, so all get archived

10-10-2001

• "Memorial Service for the Causalities in Milan."
• "Memorial Service for the Causalities in Milan."
• "Memorial Service for the Causalities in Milan."
• "Memorial Service for the Causalities in Milan."

10-09-2001

• "SK686 Update: Nationality Distribution." (preliminary list)
• "SK686 Update: Nationality Distribution." (preliminary list)
• "SK686 Update: Nationality Distribution." (preliminary list)
• "SK686 Update: Nationality Distribution." (preliminary list)
• "A Minute of Silence."
• "A Minute of Silence."
• "A Minute of Silence."
• "A Minute of Silence."
• "Information about SK 686 Milan - Copenhagen Accident."
• "Information about SK 686 Milan - Copenhagen Accident."
• "Information about SK 686 Milan - Copenhagen Accident."
• "Information about SK 686 Milan - Copenhagen Accident."

10-08-2001

• "Passenger and Crew lists."
• "Passenger and Crew lists."
• "Passenger and Crew lists."
• "Passenger and Crew lists."
• "Information about SK 686 Milan - Copenhagen Accident."
• "Information about SK 686 Milan - Copenhagen Accident."
• "Information about SK 686 Milan - Copenhagen Accident."
• "Information about SK 686 Milan - Copenhagen Accident."
• "Third Release conc. SAS SK 686."
• "Third Release conc. SAS SK 686."
• "Third Release conc. SAS SK 686."
• "Third Release conc. SAS SK 686."
• "Release 2 from SAS concerning SK 686."
• "Release 2 from SAS concerning SK 686."
• "Release 2 from SAS concerning SK 686."
• "Release 2 from SAS concerning SK 686."
• "Regarding SAS Flight SK 686."
• "Regarding SAS Flight SK 686."
• "Regarding SAS Flight SK 686."
• "Regarding SAS Flight SK 686."

WhisperToMe (talk) 01:22, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

SAS non-English Press Releases

Danish: 10-10-2001

• "Mindehøjtidelighed for ofrene i Milano."
• "Mindehøjtidelighed for ofrene i Milano."
• "Mindehøjtidelighed for ofrene i Milano."
• "Mindehøjtidelighed for ofrene i Milano."

Norwegian: 10-10-2001

• "Minnegudstjeneste for ofrene i Milano."
• "Minnegudstjeneste for ofrene i Milano."
• "Minnegudstjeneste for ofrene i Milano."
• "Minnegudstjeneste for ofrene i Milano."

Swedish: 10-10-2001

• "Minnesgudstjänster för offren i Milano."
• "Minnesgudstjänster för offren i Milano."
• "Minnesgudstjänster för offren i Milano."
• "Minnesgudstjänster för offren i Milano."

WhisperToMe (talk) 01:51, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Appendices

To preserve them, I put them on web.archive.org...

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Translation from Italian version

Today is the 17th anniversary of the disaster, in rememberance, I've decided to translate from the Italian version of the article, which is featured. I published the translation as a draft as it still needs a lot of cleaning up and editing. I will submit it for review when everyone is satisfied. Here's the link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Linate_Airport_disaster Thank you in advance to anyone who helps. And R.I.P all 118 victims. Tigerdude9 (talk) 22:29, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

Cessna Pilots

I have found the names of the Cessna pilots, Horst Königsmann and Martin Schneider. [1] [2] [3] [4]LearyTheSquid (talk) 01:00, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Requested move 20 March 2022

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) NW1223 <Howl at me•My hunts> 03:26, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

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Linate Airport disaster → Linate airport disaster – Decapitalise the 'a' in airport to make it consistent with Tenerife airport disaster. 106.214.168.91 (talk) 05:49, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

• Support Oppose due to later arguments presented. Tai123.123 (talk) 07:57, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose The official name of the airport is Linate Airport, with capitals. Denisarona (talk) 10:17, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose Should keep consistent with 1938 Jersey Airport disaster, 1955 MacArthur Airport United Airlines crash, 2015 Shoreham Airshow crash, and Linate Airport. The article is about a "Linate Airport" disaster more than about a Linate "airport disaster". On the other hand, Tenerife airport disaster is not about a "Tenerife Airport" disaster as the airport was named "Los Rodeos Airport" (and is now named "Tenerife North–Ciudad de La Laguna Airport" and, there is a different airport called Tenerife South Airport). --R. S. Shaw (talk) 17:44, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
• Oppose There is a significant justfication for the difference in the naming; the Tenerife airport was not named "Tenerife Airport", while Linate Airport is properly called such. — Ceso femmuin mbolgaig mbung, mellohi! (投稿) 21:41, 20 March 2022 (UTC)

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Aftermath section

The middle part of the current version of the "Aftermath" section is unclear. It reads:

The pardon law issued by the Italian Parliament on 29 July 2006 reduced all convictions by three years. On 7 July 2006, Fusco and Federico were acquitted by the Milan Appeals Court. The controller Zacchetti's sentence was reduced to three years. In addition three more people were sentenced for multiple manslaughter and negligent disaster: former ENAV director general Fabio Marzocca to four years and four months, and; former SEA airports agency officials Antonio Cavanna and Lorenzo Grecchi each to three years and three months.

First, the pardon is dated after the date of the acquittal given in the sentence after it, and it is not clear why it is misordered in that way. Also, it's not clear who it applies to; if it applies to the sentences in the preceding part of the paragraph, then it implies that the pardon was in part for Fusco and Federico who were already acquitted on appeal several weeks before the pardon (& thus nonsensical).

Was Zacchetti's reduction by the same appeal? When were the "three more people" sentenced? Wouldn't that have happened before the July 2006 actions, and thus about the time of the sentences given in the opening of the paragraph, and hence reduced by 3 years by the pardon?

Not helping, none of these statements have references. I had been thinking of trying to straighten out the prose, but then saw not enough was included to determine how the narrative should be structured. -- R. S. Shaw (talk) 21:07, 2 May 2022 (UTC)