Talk:Interstate 69 in Indiana

Exit list

Routing and potential interchanges based on [1].

County	Location	#	Destinations	Notes
Vanderburgh	Evansville		Veterans Memorial Parkway – Downtown Evansville	??, haven't seen what they are going to do with the rest of I-164
			Green River Road	Where will it split off??
Warrick		5	SR 662 east (Covert Avenue)
Vanderburgh	Evansville	7	SR 66 (Lloyd Expressway)
		9	SR 62 (Morgan Avenue)
		10	Lynch Road
		15	Boonville-New Harmony Road
		18	SR 57 south	South end of SR 57 overlap
Gibson		21	I-64 / SR 57 - Louisville, St. Louis
		22	SR 68 / SR 57	North end of SR 57 overlap
		27	SR 168
		33	SR 64
Pike		46	SR 56 / SR 61
Daviess		62	US 50 / US 150
		76	SR 58
Greene		78	US 231	Current Northern end of the South Section of I-69
			SR 45	Under Work, To open in late 2015-early 2016
			SR 54	Under Work, To open in late 2015-early 2016
Monroe	Bloomington		SR 37	South end of SR 37 overlap, Under Work, To open in late 2015-early 2016
			Fullerton Pike	Open
			SR 45 (2nd Street)/Tapp Road	South end of SR 45 overlap; Under work to be upgraded to Interstate Standards
			SR 48 (3rd Street)	Under work to be upgraded to Interstate Standards
			SR 45 / SR 46	North end of SR 45 overlap; Under work to be upgraded to Interstate Standards
			Walnut Street	Partial interchange (Southbound exit only), up to Interstate Standards
			Sample Road	Under construction
Morgan			Liberty Church Road	Under construction
			SR 39 to / SR 67	Southern terminus of SR 39, SR 39 North to SR 67, Trumpet interchange built to interstate standards.
			Ohio Street	Unbuilt.
			SR 252 (Hospital Drive)/ SR 44 (Rueben Drive)	Unbuilt Split-Diamond interchange
			Henderson Ford Road	Unbuilt Diamond Interchange
Johnson			SR 144	Unbuilt Diamond Interchange
			CR 900 N (Smith Valley Road)	Unbuilt Diamond interchange
			County Line Road	Unbuilt
Marion
			Southport Road	Unbuilt
			I-465	Unbuilt, at-grade diamond interchange currently. Combined interchange with I-69 and Harding street to be constructed.

Updated based off Preliminary Alternatives Screening report for Section 6 Froo (talk) 15:31, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

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Attention needed to this article

I understand that sections of I-69 in Indiana are under construction, and that there has been some controversy about the extension, but this article needs several issues addressed. I've outlined them below. Until they're fixed, this article can't be upgraded to B-Class. Imzadi 1979 → 19:48, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

• The infobox should have a current length for the highway as well as some summary of history added.
• The lead needs to be a better summary of the article. Nothing in the lead should be unrepeated in the body of the article, and all sections of the article should be summarized in the lead in some fashion.
• The Route description is written backwards. It should start at the south and work north. In fact, since there are sections in the south unbuilt, if a summary of where the finished highway will go once completed can be written from reliable sources, it should be included in the RD as well.
• History and Future sections:
  • The History needs expansion. It should start with the original planning and designation of the freeway and continue through all completed activity previous to today. Yes, once something from the Future section (see next point) is done, it should be moved into the History.
  • "Interstate 69 extension planning and construction" should be renamed "Future". The MOS specifies that the subject of an article should not be repeated in heading names, and WP:USRD/STDS specifies that a section on confirmed future activity to a highway should have the "Future" name.
  • Items from that section that have been completed should be moved into the History section. Eventually when the extension is completed and opened to traffic, there will not be a Future section in the article, unless there is some other project started at a later date warranting coverage.
  • The "Rest Areas and Weigh Stations" heading should be renamed "Services" and moved as a subheading of the "Route description". If it isn't renamed, it needs to be recapitalized to "Rest areas and weigh stations" per the MOS.
• The various bits and pieces about the various studies and controversies really should be summarized and simplified. There's too much detail in places that smacks of WP:RECENTISM. Additionally, most of it needs better and more citations.
• Most of the notes above the "Exit list" can be removed or simplified. If any of the mileage or exit numbers are not listed in an official planning document or on a map, they need to be pulled.
• There are additional issues with the exit list based on MOS:RJL, the MOS section that governs exit list formatting.
  • Single interchanges with A-B suffixed exit numbers should not be listed separately. Combine the interchange into a single row of the table and mention the split in the notes like "Signed as exits 21A (west) and 21B (east)".
  • If necessary, use a range of mileage to indicate an interchange, "0.00–0.40" works to combine a single interchange into one row of the table.
  • Spell out the words "Avenue", "Expressway", and "Road" in proper names. Not all foreign readers will be familiar with "Ave", "Expy" and "Rd".
  • Old exit 112A/B, new exit 296A/B should be one row of the table. "Signed northbound as exits 112A (south) and 112B (north)" works just fine rather than split into two rows of the table when it is one interchange. Additionally, if they were left, they should be "112A–B" and "296 A–B" with en dashes, not slashes.
  • Don't abbreviate NB and SB, spell out northbound and southbound, which are not proper nouns, but adjectives, and don't get capitalized.
  • Only capitalize directions when they are part of a roadway's proper name. In other words, "County Road 200 West" only if there is a "County Road 200 East". Note that "County Road" can be abbreviated "CR" as well just as "State Road" is abbreviated "SR".
  • "Boonville-New Harmony Rd" should have an en dash (–) in the name, which means it would be rendered as "Boonville–New Harmony Road" because it runs from Boonville to New Harmony.
• General notes:
  • Use abbreviations correctly and consistently for highway names. All Interstate names should be abbreviated throughout the article except the very first time "Interstate 69" is spelled out in the first sentence in the lead with "(I-69)" after it.
  • The first first time a US Highway is mentioned, spell out the name in the link followed by "(US ##)" after it. Make sure that a non-breaking space ( ) is used instead of a space between the US and the number. Do not use periods in the abbreviated form of a US Highway; that is the AP Stylebook recommendation, but it is not consistent with how {{jct}} formats the abbreviation and DOT usage.
  • INDOT only needs to be linked and spelled out in full once, on first usage in the lead. Leave it abbreviated and unlinked afterwards. Ditto FHWA and AASHTO.
  • The first time a state road or county road is mentioned, spell out "State Road ##" followed by "(SR ##)" and spell out "County Road ##" followed by "(CR ##)". Once again, use a non-breaking space is used. Don't use "State Route" unless for some reason a highway in Ohio or Illinois is being mentioned.
  • After the first mention of a highway of each type (Interstate, US, State, County), use abbreviations only, making sure that non-breaking spaces are used whenever there is a space in the abbreviation.
  • Link to Interstate XX in Indiana or U.S. Route XX in Indiana instead of the Interstate XX or U.S. Route XX links. Even if a state-detail page doesn't currently exist, it will at some point.
  • Use the full state name in any link to a city or town in any state, and pipe the link to drop "Indiana".
  • Except for the exit list, do not drop the state from any non-Indiana locations in links unless there's no ambiguity over the location of that city. If a state name appears after a city, it needs to be followed by a comma.
  • If a full Month DD, YEAR date is used in prose, follow the year with a comma as well.
  • Fix the court names. It is the "U.S. Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit", not the 7th Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals". Likewise, the correct name is the "Supreme Court of the United States". Personally, I'd drop the periods from any abbreviation for "United States" to stay consistent with the highway abbreviation. The Chicago Manual of Style's 16th edition no longer recommends periods in that abbreviation anymore, which follows foreign and DOT usage.
  • Constructions like "east–west" and "north–south" should have en dashes, but "east-to-west" or "north-to-south" are hyphenated.
  • "Indiana Commerce Corridor" should not be in boldface text. That is a separate roadway what would have been an outer beltway around Indianapolis. The redlink was appropriate since an article about it could/should be written at some point.
• References
  • Complete citation information should be added. The various citation templates ({{tl|cite web}, {{cite news}}, {{cite book}}) help keep the formatting consistent. At a minimum, make sure ever source has an author, date, title, publisher and any page or map section numbers. For online sources, an access date should be added. Publication locations should be added for any books. If a newspaper's title doesn't contain a city, add the location as well.
  • If an online resource is published in PDF format, indicate that using the format parameter of the citation template.
  • Court case names as well as website, newspaper and book titles are properly rendered in italics. Individual webpages, articles and book chapters are in quotation marks.
  • Highway name abbreviations can be changed in titles for consistency. The AP Stylebook says to use periods in US Highway abbreviations, but they can be quietly dropped for consistency.
  • Use the same date format always. Personally, I wouldn't use ISO formatting for any dates in references.
  • Press articles from TV stations should use the station's call letters with "-TV" and the station location instead of any station branding. "Indianapolis: WISH-TV" instead of "WISH-TV Channel 8 Indianapolis".
  • DOT or advocacy group press releases should be indicated as such. {{cite press release}} will do that for you. Finding articles in the media that are contemporary to any press release though would be better.

Construction sequence table

Plain and simple, no high-quality highway article in the US has such a table. Interstate 68, Interstate 70 in Colorado, Interstate 70 in Utah, Interstate 355 are four Featured Articles on Interstate Highways, and they have prose-only history sections. Imzadi 1979 → 22:35, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I-69 was originally constructed in sections, with each section containing one or more individual projects. The table below lists each section using the most current reference post data, and as such the mileage totals may vary slightly from what was reported at the time of completion (due to overlapping project boundaries, structure locations, temporary connections, and other factors).

Section	Date Opened To Traffic	From		To		Length (mi)
1	never built	Northeast corner of Inner Belt (now North Jct of I-65/I-70)	n/a	I-465 (north leg)	0.00	n/a
2	November 16, 1971	I-465 (north leg)	0.00	SR 37 near Fishers	5.46	5.46
3	October 5, 1970	SR 37 near Fishers	5.46	Greenfield Avenue (then SR 238)	10.10	4.64
4	August 25, 1969	Greenfield Avenue (then SR 238)	10.10	SR 38 west of Pendleton	18.66	8.56
5	December 15, 1964	SR 38 west of Pendleton	18.66	SR 18 east of Marion	64.04	45.38
6	November 2, 1965	SR 18 east of Marion	64.04	US 224 at Markle	86.22	22.18
7	June 27, 1966	US 224 at Markle	86.22	Upper Huntington Road US 24/SR 37 (now Jefferson Boulevard)	101.81	15.59
8	October 23, 1962	Upper Huntington Road US 24/SR 37 (now Jefferson Boulevard)	101.81	Coldwater Road (then US 27, later SR 327)	111.97	10.16
9	October 31, 1963	Coldwater Road (then US 27, later SR 327)	111.97	St. John–Auburn Road (now County Road 11-A)	125.92	13.95
10	September 18, 1964	St. John–Auburn Road (now County Road 11-A)	125.92	US 6 west of Waterloo	133.91	7.99
11	June 30, 1965	US 6 west of Waterloo	133.91	US 20 west of Angola	147.47	13.56
12	October 9, 1967	US 20 west of Angola	147.47	Michigan state line northeast of Jamestown	157.30	9.83

Mileage

The table says exit 200 is 200 miles away. But just above the table there's a brief statement that implies exit 200 will in fact be only 183 miles away. What does this mean?? Georgia guy (talk) 20:14, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

I-69 along I-465

I would suggest that we should make I-69 along the I-465 beltway to I-65 or US 31. It would be unsigned, though. I think that this would imply for people researching on the route of I-69 on wikipedia, saying that I-69 will run on the beltway. -EBGaming (December 25, 2015, Christmas Day) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.170.220.27 (talk) 17:03, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

No, not until INDOT signs it. Anything else would be speculation until they do so. Imzadi 1979 → 18:35, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

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Exit numbers

When will we get to add exit numbers to the proposed section?? Georgia guy (talk) 00:54, 23 August 2018 (UTC)

Merger proposal

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I think Interstate 164 should be merged into here since its entirety was replaced by I-69. Needforspeed888 (talk) 14:48, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Actually, a section of I-164 wasn't replaced by I-69. Imzadi 1979 → 01:55, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Where did I-164 end? Currently, the article says it was at US 41 and Veterans Memorial Parkway. Needforspeed888 (talk) 02:09, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

This page is meant to be a reference to a former highway called Interstate 164, not to what the highway is now, as a section of the incomplete Interstate 69 within Indiana. In the future at some point, I-69 will also surplant a section of I-469 as well as a large section of Indiana 37. Imzadi is correct in that when the Ohio River Crossing does get complete, the Interstate will no longer cover this entire road; the last approximately 2.5 miles between the crossing and US 41 is expected to become a new spur to be named, perhaps even including Veteran's Parkway. At that point this former route will become two different routes.

It would make more sense for the information about this highway to be merged into the article about that highway when it is established. Snoopy26Z (talk) 03:57, 19 September 2019 (UTC)

The history of I-164 (and infobox) could be integrated into the history of I-69 and whatever they decide to name the remaining spur as Snoopy26Z suggested. But I'm inclined to vote against merging, as there are also pages for former routes that have been integrated into newer highways, such as New York State Route 47, which has since become part of Interstate 390, New York State Route 390, Interstate 590, and New York State Route 590.--WuTang94 (talk) 02:25, 16 January 2020 (UTC)

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Interstate 69 South Bound will be Illustrated Exit 4B with Indiana 37 South Bound, Harding street North Bound, South Bound it will no longer end at Interstate 465 South Bound it closed Tuesday March 15TH 2022 the detour is Interstate 74 West Bound Interstate 465 West Bound & Indiana 37 North Bound Interstate 69 North Bound will be Illustrated Exit 164 with Interstate 74. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.174.135.246 (talk) 15:56, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Shorten page

This article seems long. Is it considered too long where users have a hard time reading it comfortably? Just wondering Cwater1 (talk) 02:56, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

The article has 50,744 characters and 7,843 words of prose, so it's not particularly long. Since the southern part has been under construction for ten years or so, there have been a lot of updates, and some stuff that seemed important at the time needs to be shortened. However, it might be better to wait until the construction is completed in 2024 and the article is more stable. Indyguy (talk) 04:06, 19 August 2022 (UTC)

Oh, okay. Thank you. I may help with the cleanup of article then depending on if I'm still contributing to Wikipedia then and if I get time. I do see your point on what you said. Cwater1 (talk) 03:30, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Possible inclusion of Robinson Creek bridge rebuild

In order to avoid adding something that may be not notable enough to include, I thought I'd bring it up here first. This article talks about how the bridge over Robinson Creek in Allen County is being completely torn down and rebuilt. Is this noteworthy enough to add? ChessEric 16:54, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

Doesn't look like this bridge reconstruction is a significant upgrade in capacity for the highway. If we list it, we'd need to list every other bridge reconstruction that has occurred. Indyguy (talk) 18:47, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

I thought so. Thank you for your input. ChessEric 18:50, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

NB I-69 merge into I 465E along with Harding St

As far as I can tell the exit ramp for I465EB onto exit 4 Harding St (current SR37) has already moved to be well before the merge from future I69N. The new ramp goes parallel to the mainline for about a mile. I'm pretty sure the only way to Harding St. from I-69N will be to exit at Epler Ave.

That being said, I-69 is obviously not open yet, so I am fine leaving the revert until I-69 is actually designated on the loop. KelleyCook (talk) 01:43, 10 January 2024 (UTC)