Talk:Indus Valley Civilisation

Infobox - "followed by"

@Joshua Jonathan:

Hello, Infobox "followed by" only lists Painted Grey ware culture but several preceding cultures (where iron/horses are known) were left-out. Please include them. Painted Grey Ware culture infobox has it listed in accurate in order.

• Cemetery H culture (Decline of IVC)
• Black and red ware (Indo-Aryan society - Iron)
• Ochre Coloured Pottery culture (Indo-Aryan society - Horses)
• Painted Grey Ware culture (Indo-Aryan society).

This is the order of transition into PGW. IVC did not transition directly into PGW.

Re-evaluation of the pottery sequence in north India during the first millennium BC https://www.academia.edu/692881/Re_evaluation_of_the_pottery_sequence_in_north_India_during_the_first_millennium_BC

This study has also listed it in that order. 117.198.112.236 (talk) 06:17, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Guess you're right; done. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 06:57, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

bronze age civilisation?

what justifies the categorisation of the whole indus culture as a bronze age civilisation? to me it seems that the third millennium b.c. (like elsewhere) still bears the characteristics of the copper age (arsenic bronze slowly appearing besides copper, gold, silver). only in the second millennium (tin-)bronze seems to become somewhat more important; but still early swords are mostly out of hardhammered copper... or else? HilmarHansWerner (talk) 17:04, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

Refs

• Petrie, C.A., Lightfoot, E., Jones, P.J. et al. Animal movement on the hoof and on the cart and its implications for understanding exchange within the Indus Civilisation. Sci Rep 14, 158 (2024). https://doi.org/10.1038/s41598-023-50249-3

Bookku (talk) 10:23, 29 January 2024 (UTC)

IVC Civilization Extends

@Fowler&fowler Afghanistan was not a part of the Indus valley Civilization yes their are some Indus sites found their but its not like a part of Afghanistan was part of the IVC Civilizations (it is totally a Civilization on the Indus river especially a Indo-Gangetic Civilization I am sick of Indians trying to look at Afghanistan with a Indosphere influence the Civilization did not extend till Afghanistan the IVC Sites are trading Colonies in Afghanistan I have argued this with @Joshua Jonathan here,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Joshua_Jonathan

and he has not argue with me since then when I corrected it as,

During its height the civilisation extended from Balochistan in the west to western Uttar Pradesh in the east, from most parts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa in the north to Gujarat state in the south. The largest number of sites are in the Punjab region, Gujarat, Haryana, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, Jammu and Kashmir states, Sindh, and Balochistan. Coastal settlements extended from Sutkagan Dor in Western Baluchistan to Lothal in Gujarat. An Indus Valley site has been found on the Oxus River at Shortugai in Afghanistan which is the northernmost site of the Indus Valley Civilisation, in the Gomal River valley in northwestern Pakistan, at Manda, Jammu on the Beas River near Jammu, and at Alamgirpur on the Hindon River, only 28 km (17 mi) from Delhi. The southernmost site of the Indus Valley Civilisation is Daimabad in Maharashtra. Indus Valley sites have been found most often on rivers, but also on the ancient seacoast, for example, Balakot (Kot Bala), and on islands, for example, Dholavira.

Now what is your problem mister Indian Nationalist Wiki user.

@Fowler&fowler Please do reply lets get this done. 2402:E280:3D48:133:5C5E:C4CC:5B88:20A6 (talk) 06:02, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@Fowler&fowler What is the other corrections that your having a problem with. 2402:E280:3D48:133:BD34:DF63:92EA:CD01 (talk) 06:19, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I see a number of problems with your edits:

• with this edit diff you wrote in the edit-summary

Corrected Extends their is no major sites of IVC in Afghanistan only trading colonies. Major sites of IVC are all concentrated between India and Pakistan not Afghanistan.

while with this edit you added a wiki-link to Afghanistan in the sentence

An Indus Valley site has been found on the Oxus River at Shortugai in Afghanistan which is the northernmost site of the Indus Valley Civilisation,{{sfn|Kenoyer|1998|p=96}}

a clear contradiction with your statement that there were no IVC-sites in Afghanistan. To quote from Shortugai:

It is considered to be the northernmost settlement of the Indus Valley Civilization.[3][4] According to Bernard Sergent, "not one of the standard characteristics of the Harappan cultural complex is missing from it".[5]

• the same edit diff changed "from northeastern Afghanistan in the north" into "from most parts of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa in the north"; you expect our readers to know what "Khyber Pakhtunkhwa" is?

Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 06:51, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan Yes I do know that their are Indus sites found in Afghanistan but its not like major cities like Mohenjo-daro or Harappa or Dholavira or Rakhigarhi etc, in Afghanistan the sites are trading colonies with other cultures its not like the Civilization was centered between parts Afghanistan and Pakistan and parts of India.

Shortugai is rather a Northern most IVC site of the Indus Valley Civilization built by the IVC people to trade with other cultures their on the Oxus river.

The sites in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa are not trading colonies like other 1400 Indus Valley civilisation sites found in India and Pakistan.

In fact that list of IVC sites Wikipedia page it self needs to be changed the Indus Civilization didn't extend from Afghanistan to the Ganga river in India. 2402:E280:3D48:133:BD34:DF63:92EA:CD01 (talk) 07:38, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan: The Indus Valley Civilization was only majorly centered between two country's like India and Pakistan not in Afghanistan and Pakistan and India. 2402:E280:3D48:133:BD34:DF63:92EA:CD01 (talk) 08:11, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan if you dont want to include Khyber Pakhtunkhwa ,

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Indus_Valley_Civilisation&diff=prev&oldid=1212578888

then it can rather be said as "parts of North eastern Pakistan" because the Civilization didn't extend in to Afghanistan territory. 2402:E280:3D48:133:74BC:F97:8A01:E46E (talk) 16:42, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan: Khyber Pakhtunkhwa is your only issue you having right my issue is why is Afghanistan included in the Civilization of the Indus river valley of two countries. 2402:E280:3D48:133:74BC:F97:8A01:E46E (talk) 16:50, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

What is the issue you have with the Extend? 2402:E280:3D48:133:74BC:F97:8A01:E46E (talk) 16:55, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

You didn't provide any source for your stance, while northeastern Afganistan is backed by multiple sources. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 18:15, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan Where is the source that claims Northeastan Afghanistan was a part of the Indus valley Civilization ? Please provide me that source which author or Historian claimed that Northeastern Afghanistan was part of the Indus Valley Civilization?

What ever site are their in Afghanistan are trading colonies. Where is the source that claims the Indus Valley Civilization extend from Northeastern Afghanistan till West Utter Pradesh and till Gujarat India from Balochistan.

Who made these Geographic claims??? 2402:E280:3D48:133:6DD6:6518:9E8C:5275 (talk) 03:28, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan Please do Quote the claims and the claims made by the Historian or the author and the number of sources you have which included's Northeastern Afghanistan in it? 2402:E280:3D48:133:6DD6:6518:9E8C:5275 (talk) 03:37, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

@Joshua Jonathan Where is the source? 2402:E280:3D48:133:6DD6:6518:9E8C:5275 (talk) 03:52, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Do you actually read my responses?

An Indus Valley site has been found on the Oxus River at Shortugai in Afghanistan which is the northernmost site of the Indus Valley Civilisation,{{sfn|Kenoyer|1998|p=96}}

To quote from Shortugai:

It is considered to be the northernmost settlement of the Indus Valley Civilization.[3][4] According to Bernard Sergent, "not one of the standard characteristics of the Harappan cultural complex is missing from it".[5]

See also WP:DONTGETIT. Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 04:06, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Rakhigarhi and Bhirrana

This section omits Rakhigarhi, the largest IVC city, dating to 6500 BCE, from the Table of sites, and only mentions Bhirrana in passing. I think these are inadvertent omissions which should be corrected.

The statement about weigths and measures is marked "dubious" even though the weights are pictured right there, from a New Delhi museum. The ASI's policy of independent work is mocked by putting Indianise in quotes. Either these are indications of an anti-India bias or it's my imagination. Sooku (talk) 08:38, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Is there a "Table of sites" at the page? Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 09:00, 18 March 2024 (UTC)