Talk:Indo-Pakistani war of 1971

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Latest comment: 4 months ago by Accesscrawl in topic Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2023

Solbalze edit

@Solblaze, I have reverted your edit because you didn't provide a reason in the edit summary. If you want to make changes to the article, we can reach a consensus here. This article is a contentious topic, so please follow the guidelines. DSP2092talk 16:07, 2 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

The current lead makes it seem like PAF dropped hundreds of bombs on India out of the blue, but India had begun occupying chunks of East Pakistani territory and supporting Bengali rebels in the months before. That is an important detail that shouldn't be left out.
To be honset though, I should've done this in smaller chunks. Solblaze (talk) 08:01, 9 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
@DSP2092: Additionally, India invaded East Pakistan with an entire brigade's worth of force in November 1971, and Pakistan declared a state of emergency in response a day later on 23 November 1971; India would declare a state of emergency 10 days later when Pakistan launched retaliatory airstrikes on 3 December. Solblaze (talk) 14:16, 10 October 2023 (UTC)Reply
The academic consensus is that the casus belli for the war and the consequent Indian military involvement was the preemptive aerial strikes on Indian air bases conducted by Pakistan under its Operation Chengiz Khan. If you have sources that contest this position of scholars, you are welcome to present them for our evaluation here. But unilaterally whitewashing longstanding content cited to high quality sources and sneaking in your synthesis of information is not acceptable. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 21:50, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 16 November 2023 edit

"Pakistan lost 60 to 75 aircraft,[13] not including any F-6s" Change F-6 as it is not the correct designation to J-6 Ghostpepper111111 (talk) 19:34, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

  Not done: When checking the source, I found that most of the material, including the statement on the F-6, was entirely not mentioned in the source text. Therefore, I have removed most of the paragraph, including the part in question here (in case you're still curious, I believe the F-6 designation is used for some export versions of the Shenyang J-6, although that's largely irrelevant now). Liu1126 (talk) 23:18, 16 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Removal of longstanding content edit

The recent removal of longstanding, cited content from the article's lead by User:Solblaze (e.g., diff, diff) based on groundless and frivolous reasons like [1] is disruptive enough for me to observe it here. Scholars need neither be personally notable to you nor need whet your appetite for which of the belligerents should be hailed as a liberator and which of it be crucified as oppressor. That's precisely their preserve, and indeed, a scholar observing such propositions would necessitate that we present the same perspective to our readers in the manner becoming of an encyclopedia. Wikipedia defers to the scholars for adumbrating perspectives on a war if anything. Kindly desist from engaging in disruptive removals of such content for reasons that betray a WP:IDONTLIKEIT outlook. MBlaze Lightning (talk) 21:00, 23 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

@MBlaze Lightning: In this edit restoring the infobox of a year ago, you restored citations to "theworldreporter.com". It is a self-published group blog, not a reliable source, see Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 92#The World Reporter. Therefore, I have again removed the source. You are welcome to insert a reliable source in its place.
Note, however, the RfC consensus earlier this year to deprecate the inclusion of "supported by" sections in military conflict infoboxes. The close acknowledged that in rare cases such sections are suitable, but said such cases would require affirmative consensus at the article. No RfC on this precise matter has been held here, but the weight of policy-based arguments in previous related discussions has leaned towards excluding such nuanced information from the infobox.[1][2][3] (Full disclosure:I commented in the last linked discussion). --Worldbruce (talk) 02:10, 24 November 2023 (UTC)Reply

Israel edit

this article fails to mention significant Israeli arms sales to India. 2A00:23C7:5882:8201:24FF:16B0:A09A:99C0 (talk) 13:36, 5 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Mukti bahini casualties not mentioned edit

Please mention the casualties of mukti bahini 2409:4061:4E13:7DFE:0:0:B28A:4D0D (talk) 05:53, 16 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Semi-protected edit request on 16 December 2023 edit

In the "Background" section, 5th paragraph, in the last statement please re-wikilink/pipe the "generic" term "Bihari" to more context-specific wiki articles - i.e. either to the Bihari (piped to "Stranded Pakistanis in Bangladesh") or the Bihari (piped to "Persecution of Biharis in Bangladesh"). Thank you. 119.74.238.54 (talk) 12:37, 16 December 2023 (UTC)Reply

Current wikilinking seems accurate.Accesscrawl (talk) 02:44, 19 December 2023 (UTC)Reply