Talk:Indian National Congress

Liberalism (Indian)

I added the phrase "Liberalism (Indian)" and a link to the ideology item of infobox. The BJP and INC represent conservatism and liberalism in India, respectively. Although the INC has a socialist history, it does not necessarily contradict liberalism. In South Korea, the INC is believed to have a similar ideology to the Democratic Party of Korea, Constitutional Democratic Party of Japan, Colombian Liberal Party, and the Democratic Party of the United States. Mureungdowon (talk) 09:20, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

• Thanks --25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 07:23, 7 August 2023 (UTC)

Economic liberalism

INC supports economic liberalism. INC under the leadership of Rao and Singh moved toward economic liberalism. So, it must be added to its ideologies. George Simon Ohm (talk) 06:12, 30 September 2023 (UTC) Note: Sock Strike

You need to provide references to support this claim. Just saying this won't help. Shaan Sengupta^Talk 06:33, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

Hello @George Simon Ohm, it has been included under Economic policies. Please do let us know, what more should be there. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 14:27, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Social Democracy

Someone has added Social Democracy Template. Contemporary INC and their policies, especially Under Rao and Singh has nowhere mentioned of Social Democracy. As of now removing the template. Please do not add simply considering Nehru's era. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 09:02, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁,The Wikipedia page on Social democracy says, "By the 21st century, a social democratic policy regime is generally defined as an increase in welfare policies or an increase in public services and may be used synonymously with the Nordic model..All parties in India have some kind of Welfare policies; the BJP in my opinion is a kind of National Welfarist conservative party whereas I would call the Congress a classical Social democratic and liberal party. Please correct me if I am wrong but, unlike the UK conservative party, I don't think the Congress is in favor of selling off all government owned businesses such the postal service, railways, electricity distribution, water companies, bus services etc. And also when did Social democracy become a dirty word? My two cents. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 17:10, 1 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Jonathansammy, thanks for responding pal. I was specifically referring to the Social Democracy template. I completely agree with your viewpoint that political parties in India have welfare policies. However, if we consider the aspect of welfare policies, each party's article might need to incorporate the template. My point is that presently, according to NCERT, the Indian National Congress is in no way associated with the Centre-left. Additionally, I attempted to find out if any member of the Congress party advocates or idealizes the Centre-left concept for the party. Another aspect is that if we consider the pre-1990s era, the Congress was inclined towards socialist policies. Nevertheless, after the economic reforms of the 1990s, the INC moved away from socialist policies. Thank you. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 11:55, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁, Per the Infobox, the party belongs to Socialist International.How do you reconcile that with the party not being Social democratic? I guess labels perhaps don't matter these days considering how capitalist the Chinese Communist party is.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 17:01, 2 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello @Jonathansammy, exactly mate, Infobox also mentions Progressive Alliance(schism of Socialist International). If you go through edit history of the article, it seems 'Social Democracy' template added in the 'Political position' section and then included the same in the Infobox, along with 'Centre-left,' justifying one with the other. The Social Democracy article/template does not mention any other INC leaders since independence up to the present, except Nehru. Importantly, the source added to the Infobox only mentions the name of the INC, without specifying any leader or spokesperson. Furthermore, I couldn't find a source that could possibly justify whether contemporary INC leaders consider themselves center-left ideologists. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 16:09, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁, Apart from Secular, and Communal / Sectarian as its opposite, are there any other ideologies that can be used to define a political party at present in India? Obviously, regional parties would be in a different category.On a separate note, dynasticism is something that is common to all Indian political parties, perhaps with the exclusion of the Communists, and the Aam admi party.Cheers.Jonathansammy (talk) 16:53, 3 November 2023 (UTC)

Dear @Jonathansammy I once again agree with you mate. Unlike other major political parties worldwide that also focus on Environmentalism/Transhumanism etc, politics in India doesn't typically extend beyond religious issues. This could be due to the significant role that the concepts of secularism and communalism/sectarianism play in winning elections, often taking precedence over anything else (occasionally including caste issues). Regarding dynasticism, yes common to all Indian political parties. It seems to have been included as part of recent news, possibly added by some users, just like party funding in the leading section. I leave it to your discretion; should you wish to omit dynasticism, please feel free to do so. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 14:23, 5 November 2023 (UTC)

Increase in welfare policies and increase in public services has been the go to for them especially in the last few years. MrMkG (talk) 02:12, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁, Dynasticism is a feature of Indian democracy now right from village level to the top.So I would keep it.Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 16:06, 6 November 2023 (UTC)

Social democracy and center left should be added especially for nowadays. Even in Singh era, they had some center-left politics.

It should be center to center-left if you want to be inclusive of 90s and 2000s. Nowadays they even talk like leftists sometimes but that can wait. Half their plank is based on providing social support at this point though. MrMkG (talk) 02:08, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

+Economic Liberalism doesn't fit anymore either. It would have been true till the end of Singh maybe upto 2019-20. If you are using NCERT, it's not giving up to date information, it's historical. MrMkG (talk) 02:16, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

References

Presence/Alliance in states and UTs

Can someone please update and correct style and layout error in "Presence/Alliance in states and UTs" section? 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 08:44, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

Lead Section

Hello. I believe the lead consists of four paragraphs and effectively encapsulates the essence of the entire article. I'm interested in hearing other perspectives on whether it's well-crafted or if there's room for improvement. Thanks in advance. 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 19:48, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 , I don't like the phrase "widespread roots". How about with deep roots in most regions / states of India? Otherwise thelede looks fine at the first glance. Thanks.Jonathansammy (talk) 20:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Jonathansammy. Should we include both regions / states or either of them will be fine? 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 12:44, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Hi 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁, Regions being a more generic word does not tie one to an exact geographically defined area such as a state.Regions therefore is a better choice because in India, states haven't been permanent entities. My two cents. Thanks and regards.Jonathansammy (talk) 16:58, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Sure. In the History section, I have tried my best to include the most significant parts. However, if we include everything, the article will inevitably become lengthy. Could you recommend a list of points that the History section should have? Thanks 25 CENTS VICTORIOUS ^🍁 12:48, 22 March 2024 (UTC)